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That takes us right back to body vs mind, doesn't it? Legolas Send a noteboard - 08/03/2017 07:13:32 PM

View original postThey believe something which does not conform with the reality of the situation. They may feel that they are a woman, but their genetics and their body says otherwise. They may feel black, but their genetics and their body says otherwise. To another individual, they may feel/perceive "Fat" or "too heavy", but their body says otherwise.

I dare say transgender people know only too well what body and what genetics they have - it's not a delusion. They're not in denial about the 'reality of the situation'. The point is their mind, their inner self, doesn't match their body or their genetics (leaving aside the surprisingly large amount of people whose body and genetics have some degree of ambiguity and aren't entirely male or entirely female in the first place).

So I ask again, phrased in a different way but essentially the same question as before: would you not agree that a person's inner self should take priority over their body? Or is it just that you reject the possibility of someone's inner self having a different gender than the body they were born in? And in the second case, what would it take to make you acknowledge that possibility?


View original postCome on man...don't get in a huff and walk away. You very well may be perceiving that I'm in an argumentative state. I'm not. I'm very much trying to gain a measure of understanding of why we choose to view one as an illness and the other as not. So far, the best that someone has been able to articulate is that the harm is minimal and they want it real bad.

It's not about getting in a huff. But depending on your answers to the questions in my previous paragraph - the same questions I tried asking before, just phrased differently - it's quite possible that we fundamentally disagree and wouldn't come any closer to agreement in even a hundred posts.
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Self-Identification vs. Mental Health Issue *trigger warning* Jeordam - 06/03/2017 08:53:17 PM 744 Views
I have to say I'm very confused about what your question is... and I don't think it's just me. Legolas - 07/03/2017 12:04:27 AM 472 Views
Yes, I'm talking about... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 05:03:18 PM 477 Views
Okay, clear. Legolas - 07/03/2017 06:50:00 PM 485 Views
<3 *NM* nossy - 07/03/2017 06:57:23 PM 221 Views
Mind over Matter? Jeordam - 07/03/2017 09:06:53 PM 460 Views
Mind over body might've been more apt. I believe I did answer your question actually. Legolas - 07/03/2017 10:41:01 PM 529 Views
Let's be clear.... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 11:17:02 PM 439 Views
By all means. Legolas - 07/03/2017 11:58:41 PM 440 Views
Well that's the crux of the topic isn't it.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 05:48:50 PM 384 Views
That takes us right back to body vs mind, doesn't it? Legolas - 08/03/2017 07:13:32 PM 424 Views
Well that would be the difference... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 08:54:59 PM 464 Views
So do tell me what in fact the purpose of our discussion is, then? Legolas - 08/03/2017 09:40:09 PM 436 Views
What can I possibly say? Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:45:54 PM 420 Views
There's a distinction to be made with eating disorders. Ghavrel - 08/03/2017 08:31:08 PM 438 Views
That brings us all the way back around.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 09:05:40 PM 465 Views
Because nossy - 08/03/2017 09:30:37 PM 456 Views
Two things... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:50:32 PM 410 Views
you're missing a rather obvious difference, aren't you? damookster - 08/03/2017 09:50:09 PM 440 Views
Yeah, Snoop was just saying the same. nossy - 08/03/2017 10:14:41 PM 488 Views
Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 07:12:26 PM 468 Views
Re: Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... nossy - 09/03/2017 08:52:30 PM 546 Views
So two conversations now..... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:39:55 PM 447 Views
Re: So two conversations now..... nossy - 09/03/2017 10:23:39 PM 431 Views
And this is what you're overlooking.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 10:47:47 PM 465 Views
I could be wrong nossy - 09/03/2017 11:15:22 PM 436 Views
Sex vs Gender Jeordam - 09/03/2017 11:33:54 PM 448 Views
So this is an interesting point..... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:56:12 PM 439 Views
Sure about that? damookster - 09/03/2017 08:53:14 PM 426 Views
It's a mater of persepctive.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:12:09 PM 434 Views
wrong damookster - 09/03/2017 09:41:53 PM 378 Views
Sure. Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:57:48 PM 468 Views
sure, could be damookster - 09/03/2017 11:56:31 PM 400 Views
I feel like this has been said several times already, in several ways Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 04:10:27 PM 438 Views
It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Jeordam - 10/03/2017 06:01:06 PM 443 Views
Re: It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 07:58:57 PM 446 Views
I find your wording problematic and agenda driven. damookster - 07/03/2017 11:58:03 PM 464 Views
I appolozie if I offended Jeordam - 08/03/2017 06:18:41 PM 436 Views
no worries damookster - 08/03/2017 06:36:10 PM 457 Views
It always goes from it doesn't hurt anyone to the whole world has to change accommodate me *NM* random thoughts - 10/03/2017 02:46:38 AM 269 Views
That's true - doesn't change the issue as such but certainly there's intolerance on that side too. *NM* Legolas - 10/03/2017 07:45:43 AM 212 Views
Both extremes are dangerous random thoughts - 10/03/2017 12:59:41 PM 483 Views
Take your trigger warnings back to tumblr where they belong ßelals Girl - 07/03/2017 12:21:05 PM 550 Views
*ha* Jeordam - 07/03/2017 05:04:10 PM 461 Views
I self-identify as a deity, so I need you to use My preferred pronouns in reference to Myself Cannoli - 07/03/2017 05:15:56 PM 395 Views
So I could self-identify aerocontrols - 08/03/2017 12:36:39 AM 382 Views
I read through this thread. kazetaran - 10/03/2017 12:44:03 AM 599 Views
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