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So this is an interesting point..... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 09/03/2017 05:56:12 PM

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Enabling the transgender person to reconcile their self-identification the way they want doesn't kill them.

Biopolar-ness in and of itself doesn't kill them. Depression doesn't in and of itself kill them. OCD tendencies do not (tyipcally) in and of themselves kill them. And the treatment for these conditions doesn't kill them....

Yet we help them all the same.

Why on this one topic, do we enable them to live out a reality that doesn't exist? And beyond that, they can "reconcile" their self-identification all they want....they still aren't that other gender. Jenner is still a man. Cher's child is still a woman. All the cosmetic surgery and hormonal work...all the re-issued government ID's...all of the "self-identification" they want to pursue....they are still their original gender.

That hasn't changed.

~Jeordam

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Self-Identification vs. Mental Health Issue *trigger warning* Jeordam - 06/03/2017 08:53:17 PM 1040 Views
I have to say I'm very confused about what your question is... and I don't think it's just me. Legolas - 07/03/2017 12:04:27 AM 763 Views
Yes, I'm talking about... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 05:03:18 PM 782 Views
Okay, clear. Legolas - 07/03/2017 06:50:00 PM 769 Views
<3 *NM* nossy - 07/03/2017 06:57:23 PM 380 Views
Mind over Matter? Jeordam - 07/03/2017 09:06:53 PM 745 Views
Mind over body might've been more apt. I believe I did answer your question actually. Legolas - 07/03/2017 10:41:01 PM 838 Views
Let's be clear.... Jeordam - 07/03/2017 11:17:02 PM 718 Views
By all means. Legolas - 07/03/2017 11:58:41 PM 749 Views
Well that's the crux of the topic isn't it.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 05:48:50 PM 657 Views
That takes us right back to body vs mind, doesn't it? Legolas - 08/03/2017 07:13:32 PM 712 Views
Well that would be the difference... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 08:54:59 PM 763 Views
So do tell me what in fact the purpose of our discussion is, then? Legolas - 08/03/2017 09:40:09 PM 710 Views
What can I possibly say? Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:45:54 PM 716 Views
There's a distinction to be made with eating disorders. Ghavrel - 08/03/2017 08:31:08 PM 715 Views
That brings us all the way back around.... Jeordam - 08/03/2017 09:05:40 PM 765 Views
Because nossy - 08/03/2017 09:30:37 PM 763 Views
Two things... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:50:32 PM 706 Views
you're missing a rather obvious difference, aren't you? damookster - 08/03/2017 09:50:09 PM 735 Views
Yeah, Snoop was just saying the same. nossy - 08/03/2017 10:14:41 PM 769 Views
Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 07:12:26 PM 740 Views
Re: Well now we are bridging a rather big gap.... nossy - 09/03/2017 08:52:30 PM 834 Views
So two conversations now..... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:39:55 PM 723 Views
Re: So two conversations now..... nossy - 09/03/2017 10:23:39 PM 711 Views
And this is what you're overlooking.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 10:47:47 PM 749 Views
I could be wrong nossy - 09/03/2017 11:15:22 PM 718 Views
Sex vs Gender Jeordam - 09/03/2017 11:33:54 PM 701 Views
So this is an interesting point..... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 05:56:12 PM 743 Views
Sure about that? damookster - 09/03/2017 08:53:14 PM 709 Views
It's a mater of persepctive.... Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:12:09 PM 726 Views
wrong damookster - 09/03/2017 09:41:53 PM 653 Views
Sure. Jeordam - 09/03/2017 09:57:48 PM 768 Views
sure, could be damookster - 09/03/2017 11:56:31 PM 678 Views
I feel like this has been said several times already, in several ways Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 04:10:27 PM 717 Views
It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Jeordam - 10/03/2017 06:01:06 PM 727 Views
Re: It has been said, and I understand what is being said... Sareitha Sedai - 10/03/2017 07:58:57 PM 714 Views
I find your wording problematic and agenda driven. damookster - 07/03/2017 11:58:03 PM 730 Views
I appolozie if I offended Jeordam - 08/03/2017 06:18:41 PM 721 Views
no worries damookster - 08/03/2017 06:36:10 PM 736 Views
It always goes from it doesn't hurt anyone to the whole world has to change accommodate me *NM* random thoughts - 10/03/2017 02:46:38 AM 435 Views
That's true - doesn't change the issue as such but certainly there's intolerance on that side too. *NM* Legolas - 10/03/2017 07:45:43 AM 371 Views
Both extremes are dangerous random thoughts - 10/03/2017 12:59:41 PM 772 Views
Take your trigger warnings back to tumblr where they belong ßelals Girl - 07/03/2017 12:21:05 PM 860 Views
*ha* Jeordam - 07/03/2017 05:04:10 PM 759 Views
I self-identify as a deity, so I need you to use My preferred pronouns in reference to Myself Cannoli - 07/03/2017 05:15:56 PM 675 Views
So I could self-identify aerocontrols - 08/03/2017 12:36:39 AM 684 Views
I read through this thread. kazetaran - 10/03/2017 12:44:03 AM 1018 Views
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