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What's your opinion on Lenin? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM

All but the most rabid and delusional fanatics recognize Stalin for the monster he was, but Lenin is generally sidelined in the discussion. Which is a shame, really, because I think he's much more interesting (and sympathetic, frankly, though I don't know much about Russian history at all).

And do you know any good books on the revolution and USSR in general?

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The February Revolution and Kerensky’s Missed Opportunity The Shrike - 13/03/2017 09:37:00 PM 868 Views
Fascinating stuff damookster - 13/03/2017 10:52:58 PM 462 Views
Who knows? It could have been worse off. The Shrike - 13/03/2017 11:37:54 PM 556 Views
What's your opinion on Lenin? Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 02:06:59 AM 508 Views
Lenin. A monster. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:55:18 PM 530 Views
Thanks. I'll ask him too. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 03:01:36 PM 251 Views
Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were all bloodthirsty mass murderers. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:59:06 PM 579 Views
That's fascinating. But give me a book recommendation! Ghavrel - 14/03/2017 09:15:57 PM 468 Views
Start with a general history of Russia The Shrike - 14/03/2017 10:17:22 PM 593 Views
Excellent. Thank you. It's next on the list. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:11:14 AM 535 Views
Russian history is as depressing as they come. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:08:15 PM 527 Views
Read Figes first, I suppose. Tom - 14/03/2017 10:55:23 PM 493 Views
Thanks, Tom. I've been putting off reading good literature because of my unfamiliarity with Russia. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:12:10 AM 237 Views
Which books have you put off reading? *NM* The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:05:32 PM 225 Views
DEMONS and THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV are the big two. Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 02:58:13 PM 485 Views
You don't necessarily need to know the history. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 03:15:38 PM 526 Views
I'm always afraid I'm missing something critical, though! Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:50:59 PM 472 Views
Annotations are amazing. My eBook version of War and Peace was the same. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 04:03:59 PM 492 Views
My High School English teacher neglected Russian literature. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:46:29 AM 452 Views
Hmmmm. The Shrike - 16/03/2017 01:18:14 PM 492 Views
Tolstoy was a reprehensible human being Tom - 15/03/2017 04:02:52 PM 464 Views
I had no idea. I was under the impression he was deeply devout. Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 01:47:43 AM 489 Views
Here's one example: Tom - 16/03/2017 02:06:45 AM 487 Views
Good lord. The man sounds deranged. But that's fascinating! Is there a good biography on him? *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 07:50:10 AM 235 Views
Pavel Basinsky's bio is best Tom - 16/03/2017 02:46:47 PM 670 Views
Getting it now. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/03/2017 11:06:25 PM 226 Views
For what it's worth, I read Lenin & Trotsky as genuine idealists, while Stalin as just a thug Cannoli - 15/03/2017 11:16:36 AM 554 Views
Didn't the 40k authors mainly crib from the Nazis, commissariat excepted? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/03/2017 03:00:17 PM 229 Views
I think that's entirely incorrect. Tom - 15/03/2017 04:00:54 PM 549 Views
Fascinating post. I so need to read up on Soviet history. And Russian history. *NM* Legolas - 15/03/2017 11:10:29 PM 237 Views
I didn't mean stupid or brutish, I meant more like a mafia don than a statesman Cannoli - 16/03/2017 12:18:34 PM 448 Views
Well if you want to completely redefine the phrase "just a thug", perhaps you're right Tom - 16/03/2017 02:43:38 PM 473 Views
Good point Cannoli - 16/03/2017 09:52:29 PM 601 Views
I hear what you're saying, but... Tom - 16/03/2017 11:53:19 PM 492 Views
Yeah, it doesn't really matter if the motive is purely power seeking, or revenge. *NM* Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:57:19 AM 297 Views
Attempt at clarification Cannoli - 17/03/2017 12:55:03 AM 582 Views
Hehehe..."Fuck off" Tom - 19/03/2017 05:23:49 PM 527 Views
Seems kind of nonsensical Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:33:49 AM 578 Views
Good reply. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 12:57:47 PM 566 Views
They weren't really wrong Cannoli - 14/03/2017 01:30:07 PM 588 Views
I do enjoy historical "what if" situations. LiterateDog - 14/03/2017 01:47:27 AM 474 Views
Hi there. The Shrike - 14/03/2017 01:02:44 PM 456 Views
I still think democracy among those insidiously intrusive Western values Russia resists so fiercely Joel - 14/03/2017 02:37:39 PM 573 Views
Is it your persistant anti-Russia bias that makes you so dogmatic? damookster - 14/03/2017 02:51:23 PM 483 Views
I have no problem with Russia, only its government Joel - 14/03/2017 03:07:14 PM 601 Views
Really? damookster - 14/03/2017 03:15:10 PM 507 Views
Look, we both know I consider your knowledge of Russia to be non-existent and that your own bias The Shrike - 14/03/2017 03:27:05 PM 538 Views
You are just stunningly stupid. Not merely ignorant, but stupid. Tom - 14/03/2017 08:35:00 PM 596 Views
Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... Legolas - 14/03/2017 06:34:14 PM 608 Views
Kerensky risked a revolution if he pulled Russia out of the war Tom - 14/03/2017 08:21:05 PM 487 Views
Re: Very interesting article. One thing that's struck me more and more about WW1 is... The Shrike - 15/03/2017 11:58:01 AM 452 Views
What a terrible article Tom - 14/03/2017 08:04:50 PM 470 Views
Your criticisms of the scholarship found in posted articles never fail to make me laugh. damookster - 14/03/2017 09:02:54 PM 517 Views
I don't think anyone's ever gotten an open peer review from me *NM* Tom - 14/03/2017 11:54:45 PM 220 Views
Too bad. I would seek it out just for the amusement factor. *NM* damookster - 15/03/2017 02:18:33 AM 223 Views
I thought you would think this way. The Shrike - 15/03/2017 12:04:57 PM 552 Views
I can't decide what I think about Evans Tom - 15/03/2017 04:10:05 PM 445 Views
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