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Re: That's utter nonsense. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM
It forces them to treat same-sex unions as existent, just like heterosexual marriages, and that's it.
And how is that different from what I described? Since they do not actually exist, a law like this forces people to grant privileges to a novelty institution.

Many of the devout religious view any "civil" marriage, i.e. a union that was not sanctified by a church, as illegitimate, but that's their religious preference and not something they get to legislate via the government.
So? That's a normal & commonly accepted practice. Same-sex marriage is both pointless and groundless. It has no history of long use or genuine place in society. It is a special privilege invented for the benefit of the few, and attempts to legally ratify it are attempts to force every one to conform to their view. It is no different than attempting to govern according to the Bible.

Also, your attempt to justify governing with religious preference through free-market rhetoric is just pathetic.
Your utter lack of any answer to that is worse. What religious preference was I suggesting? I am one of those people who view civil marriage as irrelevant and meaningless. I am not attempting to impose my views on anyone. If people want to claim they are married because they have a piece of paper, that is fine with me. On the other hand, same-sex marriage legislation would force other people to accept their position. THEY are the ones governing with their preference.

You have no real principle to back your position, it is simply your ox that is being gored, so that determines what side you are one.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1746 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 1071 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 1077 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 1004 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 948 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 1015 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 971 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 941 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 1087 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 970 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 534 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 862 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 425 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 862 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 1068 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 1118 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 881 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 570 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 443 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 390 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 488 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 872 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 1116 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 875 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 959 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 947 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 1124 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 1007 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 854 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 972 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 1072 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 1078 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1461 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 851 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 438 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 839 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 960 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 893 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 933 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 890 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 1012 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 893 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 879 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 1053 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 818 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 900 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 1013 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 939 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 990 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 372 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 862 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 386 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 374 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 856 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 846 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 1011 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 891 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 986 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 331 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 914 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 946 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 840 Views

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