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Re: There are a lot of reasons SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM
First and foremost, government control of anything is viewed with extreme suspicion in the United States. Government control can (and, in the United States, usually does) lead to attempts by the government to regulate peoples' lives.


You mean like, umm let's see...

The roads, the sewers, all utilities, the education system, the military, the police etc. etc. etc.

There are a great many things that Americans accept as government controlled simply because they are used to it. All of those things could be described as 'socialized' in either a direct or an indirect fashion. All of them function under government mandate, government regulations and often with government grants and support (hidden or no).

As to the comment about 'government fiat' you know - I think I'd rather have government fiat than 'Board of Directors fiat' or, more likely 'Some yutz of a middle manager fiat'.

At least the government is, in theory and in some fashion even if badly, answerable to the people. I wouldn't trust a modern insurance company with my life as far as I could throw their overpriced headquarters buildings.

However, that said, you're a very very smart guy and I generally agree with you more than I don't. How would you reform the Health care system? If you had Tom fiat and could do whatever you wanted.
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BROWN WINS! Let's celebrate the end of ObamaCare!!! Tom - 20/01/2010 02:20:22 AM 1689 Views
My vote put him over the top!!!! *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:22:50 AM 556 Views
Wait...you only voted once? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:24:42 AM 909 Views
I had planned to post a fake-news joke post earlier. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:14 AM 1066 Views
The joke is even less funny when written. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:51:18 PM 906 Views
*dances with you* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:24:17 AM 934 Views
Because of Brown or because of dancing with me? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:25:24 AM 563 Views
Its hard to pick. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:31 AM 497 Views
Don't jinx it Isaac - 20/01/2010 02:27:25 AM 1031 Views
It's a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:33:16 AM 951 Views
i predict that political predictions are not always so cut and dried moondog - 21/01/2010 01:50:23 AM 984 Views
God I love reading the shit at DailyKos right now. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:45:23 AM 996 Views
Actually, there is a chance they can use reconiliation to pass it. I hope not. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 02:46:47 AM 1059 Views
If they did that, they'd be signing their own resignations. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:54:56 AM 955 Views
Probably so but Pelosi did bring it up a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:05:17 AM 955 Views
Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. Tom - 20/01/2010 04:18:15 AM 949 Views
Re: Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:48:32 AM 927 Views
They can, theoretically. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:30:42 PM 940 Views
*does a cartwheel* ßelals Girl - 20/01/2010 03:07:00 AM 1052 Views
If this isn't a wake up call to the democratic party... Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:39:36 AM 977 Views
I guess it depends on the wake up call's message. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:45:38 AM 954 Views
indeed Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:51:39 AM 1021 Views
Seriously?? Brian - 20/01/2010 03:54:56 AM 1056 Views
The Democrats have the arrogance to say "people don't understand the Health Care Bill". Tom - 20/01/2010 03:57:17 AM 1004 Views
agreed... *NM* Dominic - 20/01/2010 05:14:04 AM 617 Views
That is fucking nuts. *NM* everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:06:48 AM 579 Views
Celebrate good times come on! trzaska2000 - 20/01/2010 03:53:01 AM 915 Views
I'm in no mood to celebrate Larry - 20/01/2010 04:34:42 AM 1084 Views
Re: I'm in no mood to celebrate everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:52:16 AM 970 Views
If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! Larry - 20/01/2010 05:47:04 AM 916 Views
Re: If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! everynametaken - 20/01/2010 06:12:34 AM 1051 Views
Do you honestly think this bill would help you? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:21:02 PM 953 Views
I believe I vented that the bill was crap, but that the alternative was crap as well Larry - 20/01/2010 11:16:56 PM 1106 Views
just wondering.... moondog - 21/01/2010 01:56:05 AM 980 Views
Well lucky you Roland00 - 21/01/2010 09:09:16 PM 1004 Views
I don't understand this Tor - 20/01/2010 09:07:09 AM 1409 Views
Re: I don't understand this callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM 1097 Views
That would be so massive a reform that it would never ever pass. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:23 PM 1014 Views
I think "tries" is the key word here. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:44:53 PM 981 Views
Yeah, that's true. *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:05:15 PM 532 Views
I think.... Elaine - 20/01/2010 12:52:07 PM 1002 Views
There are a lot of reasons Tom - 20/01/2010 02:13:58 PM 987 Views
That was a really good response. *NM* Aemon - 20/01/2010 02:54:36 PM 655 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Macharius - 20/01/2010 03:02:48 PM 1000 Views
There is the overtreatment aspect as well, of course. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:46:45 PM 530 Views
Groaning under illegal immigrants? Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:38:23 PM 1067 Views
Right...you just go back to what you know, though I'm not sure anyone has determined what that is. Tom - 20/01/2010 03:49:22 PM 985 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Maria - 20/01/2010 05:01:31 PM 1024 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons SilverWarder - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM 1208 Views
I think your misunderstanding comes from one concept you mention. Palatine - 20/01/2010 04:57:27 PM 1065 Views
Re: I don't understand this Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:56:02 PM 974 Views
*celebrates the beginning of the downfall of the USA* *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:39:19 PM 525 Views
Want some sugar with those grapes? *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 12:41:33 PM 505 Views
Beginning? *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:51 PM 476 Views
Right...you just keep thinking that... *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:41 PM 485 Views
The beginning!? Ha! *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:57 PM 478 Views
This is excellent. I am happy. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 01:50:22 PM 963 Views
I'm not really familiar with Coakley or Brown Tom - 20/01/2010 02:22:51 PM 998 Views
"not the gay things" XD *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:00 PM 499 Views
I do hope this doesn't turn Obama into a lame duck. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/01/2010 02:07:34 PM 536 Views
Frankly, I hope it does. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:11 PM 516 Views
Agreed. *NM* Gher - 20/01/2010 10:23:17 PM 504 Views
And then what will happen after that? Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:35:46 PM 1150 Views
It would mean, effectively, that Congress controls the domestic agenda and Hillary foreign affairs. Tom - 20/01/2010 10:52:24 PM 796 Views
That's kind of ironic... Legolas - 20/01/2010 11:15:05 PM 1118 Views
And condemn more people to untimely deaths? Ryan - 20/01/2010 02:33:08 PM 974 Views
Pity, that there is no government sanctioned murder of the stupid. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:52:52 PM 891 Views
I think the technical term is "dumbicide". LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:00:13 PM 991 Views
Don't the Darwin Awards help with that? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:50:37 PM 514 Views
Oh dear. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:42:18 PM 1038 Views
Bah! LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 07:45:48 PM 922 Views
Democrats want the terrorists to win, and enjoy killing babies. beckstcw - 20/01/2010 02:59:35 PM 925 Views
Democrats don't just enjoy killing babies. They're not monsters. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:46:59 PM 969 Views
As a matter of fact, some babies are put back into the womb, just so they can be aborted again. *NM* beckstcw - 22/01/2010 05:10:35 AM 591 Views
The elderly, eh? Too bad we don't have a program for that. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:01:40 PM 562 Views
Well, the more elderly that die, the better chance Social Security will be saved. *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:44:57 PM 519 Views
They had their whole lives to save up! F*** 'em. *NM* Dark Cannoli'gar - 22/01/2010 01:12:20 PM 727 Views
I thought it was time for another such celebration... Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:35:28 PM 992 Views
That thud you heard was the lid dropping on the coffin random thoughts - 20/01/2010 03:49:21 PM 1004 Views
True, but it is now finally DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trzaska2000 - 21/01/2010 01:08:12 AM 997 Views
I keep thinking this thread title says, "BROWNS WIN!" Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 02:21:24 PM 918 Views
Lack of Health Care Reform means American Wage Stagnation Roland00 - 21/01/2010 06:38:11 PM 1101 Views
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