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My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? Brian Send a noteboard - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM
Or my perspective as someone who was raised as a Roman-Catholic, confirmed into the church, studied basically every major religion in the world, who spent the first 18 years of his life as a practicing member of the church and still has close ties to his very religious family? Cause I mean....based on my past I'd say that I have a fairly good view of both sides of the argument.

I don't hold people's religious beliefs against them, and I don't respect anyone any less because of their beliefs. Some people need their religion and it's something that gives them a lot of satisfaction. I respect that, and I'm happy for them.

I understand what you're trying to say, but self-worth has nothing to do with why I would think that an omnipotent being would care about a random person or especially care if a random creature believes in it. It is inconceivable to me that a higher power would care about something so silly as what one person thinks anywhere.

As far as the violence stuff goes, all I really have to say is that more atrocities are committed in the name of god or because of religion than just about anything else that I can think of. The people who perpetuate violence in the name of religion are a minority, and I also accept that...but it doesn't change my perspective that religion causes an inordinate amount of strife and rather than being a uniting force in the world it tends to be divisive instead.

Finally, I never said anything about considering the people that believe in god to be stupid or hicks, or anything of the sort. They simply hold a belief that in my mind is incomprehensible. I view the world in an extremely logical manner, and what I can see feel, or prove is what I find to be real. It may be an extremely cynical view of the world, but it is what it is. I have never seen something that says to me that there is a higher power, I have never seen a single piece of evidence that would even lead me to possibly believe that it is proof of a higher power. I have never felt deep in my heart/soul/whatever that feeling of faith or anything of the sort. On the other hand I've seen plenty of evidence that my view of the world is a correct one. Am I exchanging the god of the bible for one named science and logic? Perhaps I am, but I'm ok with that, because science is tangible.

Do I fear that when I die that I will cease to exist? No, I really don't. I'm ok with accepting that I am a collection of memories and experiences, and that when my body ceases functioning that whatever it is that I am is going to be gone as well.

I have my own theories as to why religion is so pervasive, but I'm not really here to debate my belief on that, because that will offend people, and that isn't my goal. I respect people's religious beliefs and like I said, I think no less of them because of them. If it makes people happy, then I'm glad that they get something from it.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1688 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 974 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 902 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 719 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 590 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 457 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 771 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 713 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 737 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 717 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 949 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 839 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 718 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 833 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 711 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 714 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 793 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 742 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 746 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 754 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 840 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 814 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 763 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 864 Views
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at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 730 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 761 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 749 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 725 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 616 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 463 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 687 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 739 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 731 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 870 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 752 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 783 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 460 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 856 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 728 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 754 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 663 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4092 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 789 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 784 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 588 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 591 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 594 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 693 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 892 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 747 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 749 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 482 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 641 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 606 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 586 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 684 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 707 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 775 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 791 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 736 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 457 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 730 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 466 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 416 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 758 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 705 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 838 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 607 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 691 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 582 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 722 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 487 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 858 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 780 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 824 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 600 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 693 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 439 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 336 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 486 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 903 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 514 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 708 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 415 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 607 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 424 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 761 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 679 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 705 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 618 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 414 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 606 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 466 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 743 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 855 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 715 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 698 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 806 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 589 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 739 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 729 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 791 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 576 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 598 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 706 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 591 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 681 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 698 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 791 Views

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