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My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? Brian Send a noteboard - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM
Or my perspective as someone who was raised as a Roman-Catholic, confirmed into the church, studied basically every major religion in the world, who spent the first 18 years of his life as a practicing member of the church and still has close ties to his very religious family? Cause I mean....based on my past I'd say that I have a fairly good view of both sides of the argument.

I don't hold people's religious beliefs against them, and I don't respect anyone any less because of their beliefs. Some people need their religion and it's something that gives them a lot of satisfaction. I respect that, and I'm happy for them.

I understand what you're trying to say, but self-worth has nothing to do with why I would think that an omnipotent being would care about a random person or especially care if a random creature believes in it. It is inconceivable to me that a higher power would care about something so silly as what one person thinks anywhere.

As far as the violence stuff goes, all I really have to say is that more atrocities are committed in the name of god or because of religion than just about anything else that I can think of. The people who perpetuate violence in the name of religion are a minority, and I also accept that...but it doesn't change my perspective that religion causes an inordinate amount of strife and rather than being a uniting force in the world it tends to be divisive instead.

Finally, I never said anything about considering the people that believe in god to be stupid or hicks, or anything of the sort. They simply hold a belief that in my mind is incomprehensible. I view the world in an extremely logical manner, and what I can see feel, or prove is what I find to be real. It may be an extremely cynical view of the world, but it is what it is. I have never seen something that says to me that there is a higher power, I have never seen a single piece of evidence that would even lead me to possibly believe that it is proof of a higher power. I have never felt deep in my heart/soul/whatever that feeling of faith or anything of the sort. On the other hand I've seen plenty of evidence that my view of the world is a correct one. Am I exchanging the god of the bible for one named science and logic? Perhaps I am, but I'm ok with that, because science is tangible.

Do I fear that when I die that I will cease to exist? No, I really don't. I'm ok with accepting that I am a collection of memories and experiences, and that when my body ceases functioning that whatever it is that I am is going to be gone as well.

I have my own theories as to why religion is so pervasive, but I'm not really here to debate my belief on that, because that will offend people, and that isn't my goal. I respect people's religious beliefs and like I said, I think no less of them because of them. If it makes people happy, then I'm glad that they get something from it.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1941 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1155 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1154 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 905 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 799 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 542 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 944 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 901 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 933 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 919 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1152 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 1043 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 915 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 1022 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 890 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 907 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 976 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 936 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 940 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 938 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 1034 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 986 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 1016 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1055 Views
- 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 983 Views
at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 926 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 962 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 934 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 933 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 825 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 556 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 902 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 935 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 921 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1059 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 955 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 987 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 544 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1061 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 913 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 953 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 857 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4281 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 996 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 969 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 774 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 769 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 781 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 886 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1082 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 946 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 935 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 564 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 828 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 798 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 768 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 868 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 891 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 998 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 964 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 920 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 556 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 915 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 552 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 491 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 943 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 916 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 1042 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 779 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 881 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 778 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 918 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 564 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 1055 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 983 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 1053 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 793 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 887 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 524 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 422 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 562 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1098 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 707 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 905 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 502 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 809 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 515 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 960 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 871 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 908 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 806 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 503 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 798 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 564 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 943 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 1051 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 915 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 898 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 1022 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 777 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 934 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 929 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 942 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 759 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 793 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 911 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 779 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 845 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 892 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 976 Views

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