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I still think it was too one sided. Joel Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM
The bank bailout. Oh wait, that was George W. Bush's administration, so it had to be "evil".

Seriously, the bank bailout is turning a PROFIT for the government. Never mind that Geithner is squandering that money on new idiotic ideas...

The banks were at least as aware of what they were getting into as the homebuyers, but who got the multibillion dollar bailout? I personally think efforts made after Bush to insure people weren't foreclosed on had a big impact on stopping the bleeding, too.

Meh, the point is rather moot now.
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare Tom - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1476 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " Joel - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 897 Views
The US will never work with socialism. Tom - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 976 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Joel - 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM 973 Views
I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Brian - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 889 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 937 Views
I would say it's grown with the government Brian - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 913 Views
The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM 941 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 846 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. Brian - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 931 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 570 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 1032 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? Brian - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 850 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help Tom - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 787 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it Brian - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 824 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 928 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket Brian - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 854 Views
It's both, IMHO. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 782 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 805 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... Joel - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 878 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 915 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. Joel - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 942 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 1023 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? Joel - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 1019 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 971 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 875 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... trzaska2000 - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 930 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? Joel - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 1036 Views
Paris Hilton? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 884 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 972 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 1078 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 868 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? Joel - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 881 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 803 Views
Well, look at this way: Joel - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 960 Views
That's not a solution. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 945 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 876 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. Сталин - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 1038 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR Joel - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 1102 Views
FINALLY!!! Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 915 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 775 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 1137 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 915 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 566 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 1041 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 999 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 1026 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 919 Views
To what 40% do you refer? Joel - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 782 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 834 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " Joel - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 830 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. Brian - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 829 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 875 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in Brian - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 961 Views
A neat trick then. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 961 Views
To be fair Brian - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 908 Views
Ah, gotcha. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 901 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 790 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 908 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... Brian - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 893 Views
It's what welfare means to me... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 901 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 503 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 492 Views
*NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 488 Views
Not necessarily Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 860 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 487 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 821 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 831 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 841 Views
How does the business benefit? Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 857 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 867 Views
That's a no-no, Joel AgentOrange - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 832 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: Joel - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 911 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* Brian - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 407 Views
If that scares you, check this out! trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 983 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 775 Views
There is one thing the government did right Tom - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 892 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 889 Views
I still think it was too one sided. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 911 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism nossy - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 937 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? random thoughts - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 882 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it nossy - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 913 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* random thoughts - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 487 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. Tim - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 895 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " Joel - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 1049 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " Lady Isa Avanderidhril - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 918 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. Joel - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 951 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. Legolas - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 916 Views
What makes you think we do? nossy - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 923 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* Legolas - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 507 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 1020 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours Brian - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 778 Views
I can understand horror of governments. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 792 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 509 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 909 Views
Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 905 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 1046 Views
In all honesty.... Brian - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 853 Views
Re: In all honesty.... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 930 Views
Re: Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 853 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 1058 Views
That's a nice theory. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 946 Views
It's a fact ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 903 Views
Re: It's a fact Joel - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 860 Views
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