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So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel Send a noteboard - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM
The large majority of millionares are self-made, not inherited. So, who are the non-working wealthy? How many are out there? How much money do they represent?

Sorry, but this seems like a typical liberal talking point. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet.....go down the list of billionares.....most are definitely part of the "working" category.

As for the H Foundation.....government data is government data and they do a wonderful job of analyzing it!

Government data, after all, is government data, and that analysis came from the government as well, rather than from a partisan think tank (for example, CBO reports won't contain references to "Keynesian fallacies" funny how much better the economy ran for us and the world when we observed such fallacious rules. )

If Gates or Buffet handed in their resignations tomorrow they'd still be able to have pretty much whatever they wanted for the rest of their lives. Ted Turner didn't have to sit down with his accountants and go over his expenses before he gave the UN a billion dollars, he just did it, knowing he'd never feel the loss. Yet you're trying to tell me we need to go after the destitute people working two jobs just to break even while people like Turner and Buffet are openly stating they should be paying more tax (though they aren't stupid enough to volunteer the difference while their fellow billionaires refuse. )

Get with the times; if you really want to break the backs of the working poor that badly every far right conservative knows it's much quicker and easier to do it with a federal sales tax than by changing the income tax code.
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1447 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 874 Views
The US will never work with socialism. - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 951 Views
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I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 863 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 916 Views
I would say it's grown with the government - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 890 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 824 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 905 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 559 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 997 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 826 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 759 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 802 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 905 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 831 Views
It's both, IMHO. - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 764 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 787 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 856 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 867 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 920 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 1001 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 997 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 953 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 850 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 895 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 1007 Views
Paris Hilton? - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 859 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 949 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 1041 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 845 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 844 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 777 Views
Well, look at this way: - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 934 Views
That's not a solution. - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 921 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 856 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 1003 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 1080 Views
FINALLY!!! - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 888 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 751 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 1097 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 886 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 556 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 1012 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 969 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 994 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 891 Views
To what 40% do you refer? - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 754 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 807 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 809 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 802 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 851 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 939 Views
A neat trick then. - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 934 Views
To be fair - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 882 Views
Ah, gotcha. - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 875 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 758 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 884 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 866 Views
It's what welfare means to me... - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 879 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 496 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 479 Views
*NM* - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 475 Views
Not necessarily - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 830 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 478 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 797 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 801 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 821 Views
How does the business benefit? - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 836 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 842 Views
That's a no-no, Joel - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 806 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 856 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 397 Views
If that scares you, check this out! - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 962 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 755 Views
There is one thing the government did right - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 866 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 863 Views
I still think it was too one sided. - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 888 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 919 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 856 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 873 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 476 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 868 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 1026 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 896 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 920 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 889 Views
What makes you think we do? - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 897 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 500 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 998 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 757 Views
I can understand horror of governments. - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 766 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 499 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 888 Views
Correction - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 882 Views
Re: Correction - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 1012 Views
In all honesty.... - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 824 Views
Re: In all honesty.... - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 903 Views
Re: Correction - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 831 Views
Re: Correction - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 1032 Views
That's a nice theory. - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 929 Views
It's a fact - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 877 Views
Re: It's a fact - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 836 Views

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