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That's a no-no, Joel AgentOrange Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM
But, OK, fine; say you're right and a government healthcare system would be worthless to anyone: Private insurance will still be out there, and if that's so much better that's where people will go. Socialism doesn't kill capitalism, it improves it.



You do realise that is the easy solution for Washington? You're saying you would rather politicians have more money to mess around with than have to make difficult decisions. Such as spending cuts. Like a child that can take more from mommy instead of living on a budget. Do you really love politicians that much?
Besides, raising taxes will promote tax evation and moving abroad.

Why are you so impressed with Europe anyway?
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare Tom - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1394 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " Joel - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 828 Views
The US will never work with socialism. Tom - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 907 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Joel - 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM 901 Views
I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Brian - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 813 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 863 Views
I would say it's grown with the government Brian - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 841 Views
The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM 872 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 780 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. Brian - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 858 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 535 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 938 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? Brian - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 782 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help Tom - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 719 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it Brian - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 755 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 861 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket Brian - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 783 Views
It's both, IMHO. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 721 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 735 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... Joel - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 812 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 807 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. Joel - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 873 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 950 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? Joel - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 951 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 904 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 809 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... trzaska2000 - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 848 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? Joel - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 966 Views
Paris Hilton? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 815 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 906 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 996 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 797 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? Joel - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 786 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 725 Views
Well, look at this way: Joel - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 871 Views
That's not a solution. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 880 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 810 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. Сталин - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 935 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR Joel - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 1037 Views
FINALLY!!! Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 846 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 707 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 1045 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 847 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 531 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 970 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 924 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 952 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 850 Views
To what 40% do you refer? Joel - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 711 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 761 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " Joel - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 764 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. Brian - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 760 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 811 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in Brian - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 891 Views
A neat trick then. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 891 Views
To be fair Brian - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 837 Views
Ah, gotcha. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 833 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 714 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 841 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... Brian - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 821 Views
It's what welfare means to me... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 833 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 471 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 458 Views
*NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 452 Views
Not necessarily Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 788 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 457 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 754 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 762 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 772 Views
How does the business benefit? Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 787 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 796 Views
That's a no-no, Joel AgentOrange - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 764 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: Joel - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 815 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* Brian - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 372 Views
If that scares you, check this out! trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 917 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 707 Views
There is one thing the government did right Tom - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 822 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 814 Views
I still think it was too one sided. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 845 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism nossy - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 875 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? random thoughts - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 796 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it nossy - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 821 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* random thoughts - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 450 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. Tim - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 815 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " Joel - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 985 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " Lady Isa Avanderidhril - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 851 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. Joel - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 876 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. Legolas - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 844 Views
What makes you think we do? nossy - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 859 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* Legolas - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 474 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 950 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours Brian - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 714 Views
I can understand horror of governments. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 718 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 475 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 843 Views
Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 831 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 958 Views
In all honesty.... Brian - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 772 Views
Re: In all honesty.... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 857 Views
Re: Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 783 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 996 Views
That's a nice theory. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 875 Views
It's a fact ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 831 Views
Re: It's a fact Joel - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 796 Views
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