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I wish we could get past the notion of "truly bad people. " Joel Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 05:50:34 AM
People are people, neither wholly good nor bad. None of them should be thrown on a human rubbish heap, and none of them should be given a free pass.
for some reason some people are just broken and can't be allowed to go out and break more people. If you come out with a good way to fix them fine we can look at letting them loose but until then I think it is criminal to let men back into society who have already destroyed lives and who we know are likely to destroy more.

By that logic recidivism rates for all crimes justify never letting anyone out of prison. Unless we're willing to say reform is impossible, or its potential failure to great to risk releasing anyone, we should allow second chances in all but the most extreme cases. Not twentieth chances; there's no reason to be obstinately idealistic about it, and much reason not to do so, but, once again, if you're going to classify someone as irredeemable perhaps the kindest thing summary execution.
So are you volunteering to be the one the explain the importance of second chances to parents whoes dead 5 year old was just dug out of the local dump with obvious signs of sexual abuse? Would you be willing to explain your theories of how they are pretty sorry parents?

Personal appeals are very convenient, but they cut both ways; if you're twenty year old son or daughter was found guilty of molesting an eight year old would you be OK with them sharing a cell with a murderer for the next sixty or seventy years (unless they were murdered first)? Yes, I stand by my statement that no parent should have to be told it's wrong to write off someone the first time they do something wrong, even if it's horribly wrong.
Theory and feel good politics are fine so long as it doesn't lead us to the idea that we can let the monsters back out on the streets after we catch them. There is a very small percentage of the population that is so screwed up that they are incapable of not committing those acts but people like you think it is the right thing to let them back out in the public to hurt more children. It isn’t about punishing them it is about keeping them away from children.

I get that, that's why I say you don't release them over and over again. They do their time and, after a lot of counseling and quite possibly medication, both of which will continue after release, they're reintegrated with society. If that fails they're out of second chances, but the spectacle of sex offenders who serve their full sentence only to find they can't even have a roof over their heads because public sex offender lists hound them from community to community is pathetic. If we're going to take away their lives forever, let's cut to the chase.
You may be uncomfortable with the idea that people can be locked away for ever but as the father of a beautiful 4 year old little girl I am uncomfortable with the idea that you would let someone we know is capable of hurting her for his sexual gratification back out the street and that he may show in our neighborhood. If my intolerance for second chances makes me a poor parent in your eyes then so be it. One of the things I struggle to teach my children is you don't always get second chances and life doesn't have a reset button.

Can you give the victims second chances not be raped and possibly murdered?

Obviously I can't, but I sincerely hope that when you teach your kids we don't always get second chances (which is true) it should be in the sense of "if at first you don't succeed, maybe bomb disposal isn't right for you" not "if you do certain things I will disown you. "
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Hence "a lot of places" and "in TX. " - 04/03/2010 08:45:12 PM 161 Views
do you have any evidience that rehab works - 04/03/2010 08:29:00 PM 196 Views
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Nice post, I agree with nearly all of that. *NM* - 04/03/2010 08:55:17 PM 55 Views
Thanks; even us blind squirrels occasionally find a nut. - 05/03/2010 03:13:47 AM 151 Views
I wish the truly bad people felt the same way - 05/03/2010 02:57:15 PM 206 Views
I wish we could get past the notion of "truly bad people. " - 15/03/2010 05:50:34 AM 230 Views
To the best of my knowledge from the studies and ocumentaries I saw in college... - 05/03/2010 01:19:18 AM 250 Views
Re: To the best of my knowledge from the studies and ocumentaries I saw in college... - 05/03/2010 02:28:59 AM 199 Views
when they get to 100% let me know - 05/03/2010 02:58:00 PM 186 Views
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