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That's getting tiresome, since you know it doesn't apply. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 07:13:38 AM
I MAY have been by Kos half a dozen times in as many years. Judging by the Dem party line these days, as a "kill biller" I wouldn't be welcome there these days anyway. It's more important to score a meaningless political victory over the Republicans than to pass effective legislation, after all. *pounds skull on monitor*
Unions are upset that their members will be required to pay taxes on the excessive amounts of health insurance they receive. Such gold platted policies help to drive the cost of healthcare up. But I also oppose Plain and her death panel attacks on common sense measures to control cost. If cost need to be controlled, which most people agree with, then someone somewhere is going to have to say that some things are simply to expensive. Of course if the dems were really serious about reducing cost and just expanding coverage they would willing to add some reasonable tort reform. They are willing to do whatever it takes to pass healthcare reform, except anger the unions and trial lawyers.

I'm aware of how the unions feel and why, and don't need Kos to tell me. For decades employers operating at the margins of profitability thanks to the boon of supply side economics have offered more medical insurance to unions because they couldn't offer better wages, and over time this has resulted in contracts in which great medical insurance is the biggest asset. I can understand why union members feel the same way about taxing the hell out of their biggest asset as their employers do about capital gains taxes doing it to THEIR chief asset. Yet clearly what we need is to heavily tax something whose possessors don't profit from it, rather than something whose possessors profit a great deal.

As far as punditry and its audience goes, however, I did recently have a friend tell me Mitt Romney was on Faux News explaining (as you did elsewhere) how no American is denied healthcare because they can just go to the ER and walk away from the resulting costs passed along to those with insurance. Doesn't happen to be true, but I wouldn't expect Mitt to have the firsthand experience to know that.

There is some good news for you though in the fact that all private insurance has been using cost control panels for ages; they just don't want any public option to do the same (and do want the government to legally protect their right to use them, in perpetuity. )
Insurance companies try and limit how much is spent on healthcare. It is in their interest to keep cost down how does that make part of the problem with rising healthcare cost? That is leap in logic I trouble following. I think part of the problem is dems are selling one thing but offering another. The bills we have seen are not designed to do anything to reign in the out of control growth and that is why they can’t build support even though most people want reform.

Insurance companies try to limit how much THEY spend on healthcare, but the cost to their policy holders is in both the direct cost of treatment AND premiums. Not only that, but the core of the "tort reform is the panacea to healthcare costs" argument is that malpractice judgments result in higher malpractice INSURANCE rates from those same insurers. Pretty much whatever happens in any aspect of healthcare, private insurances response is "raise insurance premiums" and that's driving the cost of healthcare more than anything.

On that last part I'm inclined to agree, and it's one of the biggest reasons I'm ignoring the pundits on the healthcare bill. It doesn't control costs, it just throws money at the problem in the absurd hope that if we force everyone to buy private insurance a combination of subsidies and punitive measures will meet current costs that will then stop rising at double digit percentage rates annually. Because, as we all know, the whole basis of the profit motive is you don't want to make TOO MUCH money.... :rolleyes:

It truly baffles me; the entire motive behind healthcare reform is to reduce costs and slow their meteoric rise so more and more Americans aren't forced to do without and/or bankrupted by healtchare costs. So we're going to dump a trillion tax payer dollars, plus whatever it costs those ineligible for subsidies, in the laps of private insurance and hope that sates their greed. When has giving away huge amounts of money ever reduced greed? Between Wall Street, Detroit and now Hartford I'm hard pressed to think of a President from any party who's offered big business more government handouts than Obama. And apart from extending unemployment benefits, also hard pressed to think of anything else he's done for the economy. It's hard to understand why Romeny would criticize the Presidents healthcare bill, given that he basically wrote it.
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Oh my god...I'm a socialist! - 05/03/2010 02:46:17 PM 698 Views
Don't worry it isn't like we have free market economics in health care right now - 05/03/2010 03:19:39 PM 425 Views
Hold on a sec. - 05/03/2010 05:58:00 PM 427 Views
Well you should read somehting besides the Daily Kos - 05/03/2010 06:25:23 PM 401 Views
That's getting tiresome, since you know it doesn't apply. - 15/03/2010 07:13:38 AM 394 Views
Very true. *NM* - 05/03/2010 11:45:36 PM 155 Views
That's not really a socialist policy. - 05/03/2010 03:24:59 PM 436 Views
you don't seem to understand socialism. visit wikipedia and check it out there. *NM* - 05/03/2010 05:16:02 PM 157 Views
Tongue. In. Cheek. *NM* - 05/03/2010 05:47:40 PM 152 Views
Making healthcare universally accessible is not socialist... - 05/03/2010 05:29:16 PM 393 Views
It is universally accessible now - 05/03/2010 05:43:52 PM 411 Views
Ah, like the Rolls Royce is universally acceptable. - 05/03/2010 05:52:59 PM 389 Views
use more words becuase that statement makes no sense - 05/03/2010 06:27:04 PM 414 Views
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BS *NM* - 05/03/2010 06:08:52 PM 147 Views
BSS - 05/03/2010 06:28:15 PM 383 Views
Random Thoughts - 05/03/2010 06:31:00 PM 377 Views
It is the over simplification I object to - 05/03/2010 06:59:29 PM 380 Views
Thus the BS comment - 05/03/2010 07:37:22 PM 398 Views
is this not a paradox you've proposed here? - 05/03/2010 06:25:08 PM 420 Views
Universal healthcare is good... - 05/03/2010 10:13:01 PM 413 Views
great I was really hoping we could hear from a moron and you seem to fit the bill - 05/03/2010 11:39:15 PM 398 Views
I think he was joking RT - note the at the end of the message *NM* - 06/03/2010 09:23:45 AM 206 Views
To much cold medicine *NM* - 06/03/2010 12:13:12 PM 160 Views
How does "Don't worry, it will never happen in America either way" sound? - 05/03/2010 11:49:23 PM 397 Views
Eww - 06/03/2010 11:39:04 PM 455 Views
no - 06/03/2010 11:42:47 PM 436 Views
The scariest ones are the ones who are both. - 06/03/2010 11:55:51 PM 503 Views
that and it is crawling with dirty forgieners - 07/03/2010 03:01:27 AM 415 Views

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