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How about permanently? Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/03/2010 09:50:46 PM
What is Palestine’s minimum demand in order to have peace? It does not seem to me that there is anything short of giving Palestine everything they want that will bring peace. Palestine lost the war (or should we say wars?) and they now need to sue for peace under reasonable terms. If they insist on fighting to the last man until they get everything they want then the last man will have no on to blame but himself. ?

One of the weird things about this conflict is that the conditions for peace are to a large extent well-known, but somehow they don't manage to get there. Of course, a lot of that has to do with simple logistics: considering the Palestinian population, any state they get has to have a certain surface even if the right of return is dropped or only gets a token concession. Additionally, the state has to have a certain territorial continuity, which means a small number of particularly badly (or strategically, depending on how you look at it) located settlements have to go. That much is obvious to everyone, I dare say; the devil is in the details, and in the matter of Jerusalem of course.

And of course, this means that at some point, Israel has to stop its tactic of conquering land piecemeal and letting the price of continued resistance rise gradually, because there comes a point where a two-state solution simply isn't realistic anymore. And at that point you either get extremely messy one-state solutions (AO favours those, but I don't think there are many people on either side who agree) - or an ethnic cleansing.
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Everyone else knows what happened.... - 17/03/2010 06:35:37 PM 467 Views
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Erdogan is the Middle East's Chavez. *NM* - 17/03/2010 06:38:00 PM 201 Views
I think Lieberman has the better claim there. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:39:29 AM 178 Views
Hardly. Lieberman makes sense - 18/03/2010 05:34:43 PM 355 Views
I've read some articles saying otherwise. - 18/03/2010 05:49:52 PM 409 Views
Torpedoing Biden's mission ? What a sad joke. - 18/03/2010 06:22:37 PM 366 Views
Would you like to call it something else? - 18/03/2010 06:26:34 PM 409 Views
Because Obama was looking for a way to get offended - 18/03/2010 06:54:55 PM 556 Views
Your problem is that a "settlement freeze" doesn't impress anyone at all. - 18/03/2010 07:16:55 PM 367 Views
Maybe we should just ask the Palestinians if we can keep Tel Aviv ? - 18/03/2010 07:44:07 PM 346 Views
If you want anyone to be impressed, yes. - 18/03/2010 09:03:11 PM 332 Views
How is it too much when there is a freeze ? - 18/03/2010 09:22:03 PM 401 Views
You call this a freeze? - 18/03/2010 09:43:52 PM 448 Views
Not your sourness silly. Obama's - 18/03/2010 10:15:56 PM 376 Views
Ah. - 18/03/2010 10:22:58 PM 354 Views
And you know what really annoys me ? - 18/03/2010 10:53:13 PM 420 Views
How long are supposed to stop building for? - 18/03/2010 09:32:58 PM 349 Views
How about permanently? - 18/03/2010 09:50:46 PM 409 Views
I don't think i agree that the condidtions for peace or that well known - 19/03/2010 04:32:37 AM 326 Views
Major conditions - 19/03/2010 09:59:37 AM 377 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 01:26:54 PM 375 Views
Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 01:56:24 PM 517 Views
Re: Seriously, what conflict are you looking at? - 19/03/2010 04:47:07 PM 366 Views
Ah, good point there... I was kinda thinking of the West. - 19/03/2010 08:31:11 PM 395 Views
well I wasn't talking about how anyone treated but who was making the decisions - 19/03/2010 09:24:47 PM 443 Views
That really isn't a very useful observation at this point, though. - 19/03/2010 09:32:30 PM 347 Views
Man, your analysis is weird - 20/03/2010 11:24:40 AM 643 Views
I'm a bit confused what you're saying exactly... - 20/03/2010 04:10:14 PM 392 Views
How so ? - 20/03/2010 11:04:30 PM 334 Views
It was over because Israel wanted it to be over. - 20/03/2010 11:24:33 PM 365 Views
Maybe. - 21/03/2010 12:23:58 AM 444 Views
Re: Major conditions - 19/03/2010 03:01:42 PM 498 Views
They don't exactly have much that they *can* give up. - 19/03/2010 10:46:35 AM 397 Views
I don't want them to give up anything more then the violience - 19/03/2010 01:55:51 PM 396 Views
That's simple enough: Israel is a first world state. - 19/03/2010 02:13:17 PM 354 Views
That is a little thin - 19/03/2010 03:27:10 PM 439 Views
Israel has been a democracy since its inception - 19/03/2010 04:01:30 PM 441 Views
Okay, two things first... - 19/03/2010 08:59:57 PM 455 Views
That's ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 06:53:40 PM 425 Views
Truly I cannot answer that. - 18/03/2010 07:00:58 PM 347 Views
It is pretty crude - 17/03/2010 11:15:28 PM 438 Views
This. Nicely put. *NM* - 18/03/2010 03:29:02 AM 163 Views
Why is recognizing a 100-year-old evil in his country's past "backing him into a corner"???? - 18/03/2010 11:41:05 AM 407 Views
The guy who has managed to face down one military coup from a sector that doesn't want it admitted? - 18/03/2010 12:39:46 PM 473 Views
Turkey's atrocities against the Kurds are what I referred to. - 18/03/2010 02:00:58 PM 415 Views
Ah, well that is a different matter - 18/03/2010 02:31:58 PM 445 Views
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Equating the two is ridiculous. - 18/03/2010 02:13:37 PM 550 Views
My issues are not with a lack of democracy and I don't equate the AKP and the military - 18/03/2010 02:35:00 PM 472 Views
The AKP is not anti-American. - 18/03/2010 03:02:00 PM 376 Views
Its better than the alternative - 18/03/2010 01:11:07 AM 512 Views
So they respond to claims of genocide with threats of ethnic cleansing? Terrible. Just terrible. - 18/03/2010 11:39:31 AM 380 Views
Nicely put *NM* - 18/03/2010 04:22:58 PM 174 Views
Money. - 18/03/2010 05:47:27 PM 342 Views
Unlikely. - 18/03/2010 08:51:28 PM 357 Views
I agree. What they are doing now only makes things worse for them - 18/03/2010 08:48:25 PM 315 Views

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