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I've never played GURPS, so I don't know how its system works. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 18/09/2012 03:32:21 PM
Actually, I haven't tried new rules systems in a while. We've gotten to the point where we're pretty much homebrewing anything we like on top of the skeletons of games we've already played. I'm working on a core of D&D 4th Edition, which has a very solid and simple ruleset (and very little else to offer, really) while my friend, as mentioned, has gotten a taste for White Wolf.

You surely know AD&D 2nd ed. rules well enough to know what I mean:

A 10th level fighter has 10d10 HP, so even without a Con bonus he has about 55HP on average, 10 THAC0 and is AC 10 naked (assuming no Dex bonus.)

Kobolds are 0.5 HD creatures, so a dozen have about 20 HP total, 20 THAC0 and are AC 7 (I will be generous and give them studded leather.)

The fighter will be specced at LEAST once in bow, so he gets 5/2 at 10th level; he will drop half the kobolds in the first two rounds unless he rolls a 1 for damage (if he melees with his sword he will be sweeping them and it will be equally bad.) In that time they should hit him for about 10d6 worth of damage, leaving him with 20 HP facing 7 kobolds. He wastes a couple more and they hit him for 10 HP; then he wastes three more and the last 5 hit him for 3d6. That might be enough to finally kill him; if not, his two attacks the next round will finish off the last of them.

If a single stark naked 10th level fighter faces a dozen kobolds he has about a 50/50 shot of killing them all. An average fighter would be more than slightly wounded, but that also unrealistically assumes he has no Con or Dex bonus; if he has even a 16 or 17 in either the kobolds' plight is hopeless unless they get perfect roles.


Yes, but why is the fighter fighting kobolds? If this is supposed to be a challenge, then the kobolds should not be fighting as 1/2 HD creatures. In 2nd Edition, kobolds don't have Advancements to boost them up to par, so you'd probably have to redesign the whole thing yourself (for example, in Shadows of Amn Irenicus' dungeons, you get to fight goblins even though you're way overlevelled for what challenge goblins should offer, same goes for 'Kobold Commandos' in the Firewine ruins) but in 3rd Edition, you should probably be giving them Warrior class levels to bring them up to par, and in 4th Edition you'd be putting Kobold traits on an appropriate 10th level template (probably 'Minion', or maybe 'Artillery' or 'Skirmisher';). It's the Dungeon Master's responsibility to ensure that his challenges are challenging.

On the other hand, if the kobold encounter is designed to show how much more powerful the adventurers have grown since the last time they encountered kobolds, then the encounter as you describe it is perfectly fine.

That's why I said I couldn't judge without context.
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Baldurs Gate Enhanced Edition: Edit 2 with added video & launch delay - 07/09/2012 09:48:16 PM 3369 Views
!!!!! - 07/09/2012 10:49:47 PM 1825 Views
are they created kindly or cruelly? - 08/09/2012 05:34:36 PM 1807 Views
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*revelation* - 08/09/2012 05:45:28 PM 1770 Views
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Oops. - 09/09/2012 01:43:23 AM 1788 Views
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Agreed. - 11/09/2012 07:01:07 PM 1855 Views
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I've never played GURPS, so I don't know how its system works. - 18/09/2012 03:32:21 PM 1857 Views
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True. - 09/09/2012 03:46:24 AM 1767 Views
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Among many many others. - 17/09/2012 06:45:33 PM 1738 Views

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