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Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM

I know the NYT, one of the two newspapers of record, always has to explain when talking about a Liberal party in another country not being "liberal" in the US usage of the word. For instance when talking about Australian political parties they will give the explanation. So if the NYT is doing it for its readers, who are usually much more educated than the average reader in the US, then it's not too surprising that the word gets used as it does here.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1683 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1061 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1053 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 939 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 992 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 1007 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1038 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1026 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 1015 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 940 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 962 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 967 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 993 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1022 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 960 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 929 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 680 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 543 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1050 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1026 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1041 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 973 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1134 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 986 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 627 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 594 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 1002 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 970 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 989 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1052 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1079 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 941 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 990 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 905 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1021 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1035 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 974 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 1001 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1048 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 934 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 997 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 913 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1156 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 572 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 602 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1121 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 954 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 939 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 899 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1145 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1057 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 1032 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 1048 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 629 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 971 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1102 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 911 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 987 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 1011 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 539 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 569 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 964 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 957 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 865 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 945 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 974 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 903 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 457 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1048 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1503 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1071 Views
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