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There is a huge difference.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM

between someone being a victim of a crime and someone being a victim of their own decisions. Dropping out of school. Not choosing a field of study that can provide a decent chance at a job. Not choosing trade school as opposed to college. Each of those decisions can turn their life one way or another, but the consequences are their own. If a series of decisions leads you to having an entry-level job your entire life, then there is a price to pay for that.

I agree that social darwinism is a horrible ideal. This is why we have social programs to help. However, I'm a firm believer that those social programs should come with a price for the person on them. You get your EBT card? You get to go to trade school now.

Here's an example. In high school, I didn't party. I totally nerd-ed out. Studied hard. Work a job. When all my friends were out having fun, I wasn't. Then when I got into college (not the one of my choice, but any), I took out school loans. I chose a major that I liked, but also could get me a job. I worked. I studied. All my friends were doing crazy spring break parties...I was in the science lab. All my friends were doing ski trips...I was in the science lab. My friends had parental money...I used money to eat at the cafeteria & I studied. College wasn't fun. It was work.

Now, almost 20 years later, I have a good job, a home, a car...why? I worked my butt off. I made hard decisions that required sacrifice. I had to give up something good (having fun in school) for something better later. And before someone brings up the "You had opportunity" fascet of the conversation....I'm a minority. Opportunities can be found....but they have a cost.

~Jeordam

ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1664 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1046 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1039 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 928 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 997 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1023 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1013 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 999 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 929 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 953 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 953 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 981 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1011 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 948 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 916 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 667 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 526 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1036 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1010 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1018 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 960 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1111 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 614 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 585 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 988 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 957 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 971 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1039 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1064 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 929 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 969 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 893 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1008 Views
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I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 961 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 989 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1038 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 925 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 984 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1140 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 562 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 590 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1093 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 946 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 928 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 886 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1134 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 616 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 962 Views
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You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 897 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 964 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 998 Views

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