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Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM

I know the NYT, one of the two newspapers of record, always has to explain when talking about a Liberal party in another country not being "liberal" in the US usage of the word. For instance when talking about Australian political parties they will give the explanation. So if the NYT is doing it for its readers, who are usually much more educated than the average reader in the US, then it's not too surprising that the word gets used as it does here.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1685 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1063 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1054 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 940 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 993 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 1009 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1039 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1028 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 1017 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 942 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 963 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 969 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 995 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1023 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 961 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 930 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 680 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 544 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1051 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1028 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1044 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 974 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1136 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 987 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 628 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 595 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 1003 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 971 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 991 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1053 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1080 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 943 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 992 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 906 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1022 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1037 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 975 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 1002 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1049 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 935 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 997 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 913 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1156 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 573 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 603 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1122 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 955 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 940 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 901 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1146 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1058 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 1033 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 1049 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 630 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 973 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1103 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 912 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 990 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 1013 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 540 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 570 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 965 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 958 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 867 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 948 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 976 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 905 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 458 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1050 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1504 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1072 Views
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