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I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM

If you look at the pre-Woodstock/hippie culture in America, you see the phrase "liberal" applied to people in the Democratic Party who were for civil liberties (free speech, free press, etc. ) and who also believed in the New Deal and the idea of the safety net. This was back when the American Civil Liberties Union fought tooth and nail to let the Nazi Party march through Skokie, Illinois, and most of the Left supported the ACLU position as much as they hated the Nazis (1977).

Things started to change when the radical students of the 1960s/early 1970s started to make their way into positions of power. Obviously, a great many of them "sold out" and became yuppies, but the ones who remained radicals self-identified as "liberals" but were pushing a very different agenda. It's gotten to the point now where the Left is saying "hate speech isn't free speech", which is quite simply dead wrong, and where the Left is attempting to shut down discourse and debate. I can think of a great adjective to use to describe people who believe in controlling personal freedoms and having the state heavily regulate and tax private industry for the good of the nation. Of course, that adjective has lost all meaning these days too...

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1660 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1044 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1035 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 924 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 991 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1019 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1008 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 996 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 927 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 951 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 948 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 977 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1006 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 943 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 913 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 667 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 526 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1031 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1005 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1014 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 957 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1107 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 613 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 584 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 985 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 952 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 966 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1034 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1061 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 924 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 964 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 889 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1005 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1013 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 956 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 985 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1032 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 922 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 983 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1140 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 561 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 590 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1090 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 942 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 923 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 882 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1130 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 615 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 958 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1074 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 892 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 960 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 993 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 520 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 557 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 950 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 938 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 848 Views

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