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I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM

If you look at the pre-Woodstock/hippie culture in America, you see the phrase "liberal" applied to people in the Democratic Party who were for civil liberties (free speech, free press, etc. ) and who also believed in the New Deal and the idea of the safety net. This was back when the American Civil Liberties Union fought tooth and nail to let the Nazi Party march through Skokie, Illinois, and most of the Left supported the ACLU position as much as they hated the Nazis (1977).

Things started to change when the radical students of the 1960s/early 1970s started to make their way into positions of power. Obviously, a great many of them "sold out" and became yuppies, but the ones who remained radicals self-identified as "liberals" but were pushing a very different agenda. It's gotten to the point now where the Left is saying "hate speech isn't free speech", which is quite simply dead wrong, and where the Left is attempting to shut down discourse and debate. I can think of a great adjective to use to describe people who believe in controlling personal freedoms and having the state heavily regulate and tax private industry for the good of the nation. Of course, that adjective has lost all meaning these days too...

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1582 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 959 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 956 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 835 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 910 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 934 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 930 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 904 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 839 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 864 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 863 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 878 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 925 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 859 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 830 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 615 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 488 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 935 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 911 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 934 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 877 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1011 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 557 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 541 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 910 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 860 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 879 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 947 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 973 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 840 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 871 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 797 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 916 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 919 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 866 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 888 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 936 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 838 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 906 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1035 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 519 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 537 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1013 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 865 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 850 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 795 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1044 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 571 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 879 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 981 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 806 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 876 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 914 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 473 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 515 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 862 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 861 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 751 Views

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