Active Users:991 Time:01/09/2026 05:01:57 AM
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM

between someone being a victim of a crime and someone being a victim of their own decisions. Dropping out of school. Not choosing a field of study that can provide a decent chance at a job. Not choosing trade school as opposed to college. Each of those decisions can turn their life one way or another, but the consequences are their own. If a series of decisions leads you to having an entry-level job your entire life, then there is a price to pay for that.

I agree that social darwinism is a horrible ideal. This is why we have social programs to help. However, I'm a firm believer that those social programs should come with a price for the person on them. You get your EBT card? You get to go to trade school now.

Here's an example. In high school, I didn't party. I totally nerd-ed out. Studied hard. Work a job. When all my friends were out having fun, I wasn't. Then when I got into college (not the one of my choice, but any), I took out school loans. I chose a major that I liked, but also could get me a job. I worked. I studied. All my friends were doing crazy spring break parties...I was in the science lab. All my friends were doing ski trips...I was in the science lab. My friends had parental money...I used money to eat at the cafeteria & I studied. College wasn't fun. It was work.

Now, almost 20 years later, I have a good job, a home, a car...why? I worked my butt off. I made hard decisions that required sacrifice. I had to give up something good (having fun in school) for something better later. And before someone brings up the "You had opportunity" fascet of the conversation....I'm a minority. Opportunities can be found....but they have a cost.

~Jeordam

ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
Reply to message
Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1697 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1073 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1072 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 951 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 1018 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1050 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1041 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 1028 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 952 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 977 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 980 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 1005 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1043 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 973 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 942 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 689 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 556 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1066 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1040 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1058 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 987 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1162 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 633 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 600 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 1012 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 984 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 1004 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1061 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1105 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 955 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 1007 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 916 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1030 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1049 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 990 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 1012 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1071 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 946 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 1008 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1166 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 595 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 609 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1138 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 967 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 956 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 910 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1162 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 638 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 983 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1126 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 929 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 1000 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 1022 Views

Reply to Message