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There is a huge difference.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM

between someone being a victim of a crime and someone being a victim of their own decisions. Dropping out of school. Not choosing a field of study that can provide a decent chance at a job. Not choosing trade school as opposed to college. Each of those decisions can turn their life one way or another, but the consequences are their own. If a series of decisions leads you to having an entry-level job your entire life, then there is a price to pay for that.

I agree that social darwinism is a horrible ideal. This is why we have social programs to help. However, I'm a firm believer that those social programs should come with a price for the person on them. You get your EBT card? You get to go to trade school now.

Here's an example. In high school, I didn't party. I totally nerd-ed out. Studied hard. Work a job. When all my friends were out having fun, I wasn't. Then when I got into college (not the one of my choice, but any), I took out school loans. I chose a major that I liked, but also could get me a job. I worked. I studied. All my friends were doing crazy spring break parties...I was in the science lab. All my friends were doing ski trips...I was in the science lab. My friends had parental money...I used money to eat at the cafeteria & I studied. College wasn't fun. It was work.

Now, almost 20 years later, I have a good job, a home, a car...why? I worked my butt off. I made hard decisions that required sacrifice. I had to give up something good (having fun in school) for something better later. And before someone brings up the "You had opportunity" fascet of the conversation....I'm a minority. Opportunities can be found....but they have a cost.

~Jeordam

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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 961 Views
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Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 931 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 905 Views
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So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 865 Views
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My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 879 Views
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How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 832 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 615 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 488 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 936 Views
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Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 877 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1011 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 557 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 541 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 911 Views
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But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 948 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 974 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 841 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 872 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 797 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 916 Views
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Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 888 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 936 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 839 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 907 Views
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Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 519 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 537 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1013 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 866 Views
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Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 915 Views

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