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As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM

But I, perhaps surprisingly to people here, think there needs to be a much more honest discussion about transgenderism, its incidence, and what should be done before transition is allowed to occur.

I am deeply unsettled by the idea of allowing a 12 year old to make such a choice. I am also unhappy with the result that many trans women will have permanently masculine physiognomies if we bar that sort of transition entirely. I simply don't know what the appropriate answer here is, but I'm quite certain it's neither flippantly allowing these life-altering changes with minimal oversight nor discounting the existence and importance of the phenomenon entirely.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1248 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 657 Views
Oh, for sure. - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 549 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 517 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 544 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 481 Views
Sigh - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 589 Views
Actually - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 452 Views
You can't change your sex. - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 842 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 453 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 594 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 293 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 592 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 441 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 494 Views
I did expect more - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 519 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 526 Views
No, you did. - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 505 Views
I agree with this. - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 459 Views
Yeah, they are. - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 498 Views
LOL - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 485 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 521 Views
... yet. *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 314 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 457 Views
Don't forget.... - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 429 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 451 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 515 Views
Nice strawman. - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 426 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 338 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 543 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 437 Views
- 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 465 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 483 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 425 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 498 Views
You're not even making sense. - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 489 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 531 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 400 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 313 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 522 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 334 Views
So how to protect little Pat from - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 471 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 436 Views
I missed that part.... - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 413 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 439 Views
Patrick, yes. - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 438 Views
Doctor shopping, of course - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 494 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 316 Views
Because it's not wrong...? - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 453 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 495 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 454 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 372 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 509 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 503 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 550 Views

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