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I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom Send a noteboard - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM

People can get rhinoplasty, or chop their dicks off, or hell, if they want to, chop their legs off. The problem from my perspective comes in when they want official recognition and for laws to legitimize their illness. If someone is denying an objectively provable fact, we have no right to force others to accept that. If we have to humor a mentally ill man to keep him from suicide by "playing along" that he is really Ronald Reagan and President of the US, the absurdity of it becomes apparent. I may choose to humor a man like Bradley Manning who is pretending to be a woman named Chelsea, but I should have no legal obligation to do so.

The entire problem with the so-called "transgender" movement is that it is trying to equate itself with the homosexual movement (a gross misstatement of reality) and that it is a civil rights, rather than a mental health, issue.

However, as more time goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer that it IS a mental health issue, not a civil rights issue (except to the extent that it raises questions about how we deal with mental illness generally in the US, something that needs review as we tilted from one extreme - committing people in prison-like institutions - to the other extreme - not holding anyone for more than 72 hours unless they present a clear danger to themselves and others - with little thought as to the consequences).

As a result, it's important to point out, again and again, that it is a mental health issue, that professionals acting without a political agenda should make decisions, and that we should not make laws treating the issue as a new civil rights matter.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1248 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 656 Views
Oh, for sure. - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 549 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 516 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 543 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 481 Views
Sigh - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 588 Views
Actually - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 451 Views
You can't change your sex. - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 842 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 452 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 594 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 292 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 591 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 440 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 493 Views
I did expect more - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 518 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 526 Views
No, you did. - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 505 Views
I agree with this. - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 458 Views
Yeah, they are. - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 497 Views
LOL - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 485 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 520 Views
... yet. *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 313 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 456 Views
Don't forget.... - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 429 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 450 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 514 Views
Nice strawman. - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 425 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 338 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 542 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 436 Views
- 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 465 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 483 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 424 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 498 Views
You're not even making sense. - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 487 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 530 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 399 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 313 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 521 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 333 Views
So how to protect little Pat from - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 471 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 435 Views
I missed that part.... - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 413 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 438 Views
Patrick, yes. - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 437 Views
Doctor shopping, of course - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 493 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 315 Views
Because it's not wrong...? - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 453 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 494 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 453 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 371 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 508 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 502 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 549 Views

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