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TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM

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I'm trying to figure out how your viewpoint isn't the same as saying "better that they kill themselves than maim themselves!"

Yeah, it's hard to understand an actual argument when you're strawmanning them.
Because, as I've said an innumerable number of times in this conversation, transition has the most significant effect on lowering suicide rates in people with gender dysphoria.

You can keep shouting "but they're maiming themselves" if you like, but even assuming that gender reassignment surgery is "maiming," which is an argument so stupid I don't really feel the need to deal with it--you should go take up your body purity crusade with a plastic surgeon--it's presumably better than death.


Since you apparently didn't read it last time,



maim
[meym]

verb (used with object)
1.
to deprive of the use of some part of the body by wounding or the like; cripple:
The explosion maimed him for life.
2.
to impair; make essentially defective:
The essay was maimed by deletion of important paragraphs.
noun, Obsolete.
3.
a physical injury, especially a loss of a limb.
4.
an injury or defect; blemish; lack.


It is not a debatable point that "gender reassignment" is maiming. It is the literal definition of the word. If you want to argue that, in some cases, maiming is not a negative thing, fine, go ahead and make that argument, but to claim that "gender reassigment" is not a maiming action is objectively false.

As for your claim that plastic surgery is tantamount to "gender reassignment", then for the record, yes, I have problems with plastic surgery that entail the destruction of bodily functions. However, I have no issues with procedures like liposuction or wrinkle removals, as those do not inhibit actual biological processes. (I suppose you could make the argument that they do, and thus would be maiming, but anyone with realistic understandings would disagree with you. That said, I will never partake in any of these surgeries, as, even if they are not destructive, they are cheating, and cheating is for bitches bastards cheaters.[Can't be sexist!])

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As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 676 Views
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Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 537 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 566 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 502 Views
Sigh - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 613 Views
Actually - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 472 Views
You can't change your sex. - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 863 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 475 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 615 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 299 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 612 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 463 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 511 Views
I did expect more - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 538 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 546 Views
No, you did. - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 526 Views
I agree with this. - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 476 Views
Yeah, they are. - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 511 Views
LOL - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 508 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 541 Views
... yet. *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 321 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 482 Views
Don't forget.... - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 447 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 469 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 538 Views
Nice strawman. - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 450 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 348 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 571 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 460 Views
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In fairness to Ghavrel... - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 504 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 445 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 518 Views
You're not even making sense. - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 509 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 551 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 435 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 321 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 541 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 347 Views
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I missed that part.... - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 443 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 456 Views
Patrick, yes. - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 453 Views
Doctor shopping, of course - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 515 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 322 Views
Because it's not wrong...? - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 474 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 531 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 473 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 394 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 529 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 524 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 575 Views

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