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I've been thinking about this point.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 18/09/2017 07:00:49 PM

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But with regard to "altering your body because something is wrong with your brain," that's literally what medication does.

I don't think that you should equate medication and a sex change operation. The two are dramatically different in purpose and intent.

When it comes to medication (for a physical issue), the intent and purpose of the drug is to bring functionality to something that is in error. Insulin because the body cannot produce it being an example. The medication is also there to remove the pain of something that is wrong (while the body self-heals, is operated on, etc.)

Medication is also used for mental health disorders...to help the individual get back to a functional and normal place. To lesson anxiety over a perceived issue being an example. It is to help them be normal...that what their mind sees/feels is not real, but instead is a symptom of their disease.

In all those instances, the medication is to bring them back to normal functionality. On the other hand, the intent of the sex change operation is to help them create an illusion and not face reality. You've mentioned multiple times how that's the current agreed upon process to follow. 75 years ago, people were lobotomized for far less....and it was also the current agreed upon process to follow. You've mentioned that the suicide rate is noticeably higher in the trans community.

Why? Why would this one aspect of mental health have a higher percentage of suicide? And then if the transition operation was the actual "cure", wouldn't the suicide rate drop back down to standard norms? Or maybe, just maybe, we are addressing a symptom and not the underlining issue. Keep in mind that we don't "play along" with Alzheimer's sufferer's delusions. You very specifically don't...because that further detaches them from reality. Instead, you lovingly, but persistently, bring them back to reality. You remind them of who you are, instead of playing along with their delusion. Instead, wouldn't it be the proper course of action to lovingly, but persistently, help a trans individual to realize who they are? That no mater how much they "feel" like a woman, they are a man. That no mater how much they "feel" like a man, they are a woman.

Not everything in our identity is an aspect that can be chosen. Some things you have to be at peace with....whether you like it or not.

~Jeordam

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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! Cannoli - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1253 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. Ghavrel - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 660 Views
Oh, for sure. TyrReborn - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 555 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 520 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 548 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 486 Views
Sigh TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 593 Views
Actually nossy - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 455 Views
You can't change your sex. Tom - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 846 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. nossy - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 458 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 599 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* nossy - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 294 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. Cannoli - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 597 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. nossy - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 444 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. Tom - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 497 Views
I did expect more nossy - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 523 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. Tom - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 532 Views
No, you did. nossy - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 509 Views
I agree with this. damookster - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 462 Views
Yeah, they are. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 501 Views
LOL damookster - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 488 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 524 Views
... yet. *NM* aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 315 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 460 Views
Don't forget.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 433 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 455 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 518 Views
Nice strawman. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 429 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 340 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 547 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 440 Views
TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 468 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... Legolas - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 487 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 428 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. Legolas - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 504 Views
You're not even making sense. TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 492 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 534 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 403 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 314 Views
K. Get back to me when you want to actually have a discussion, then. *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:43:37 AM 307 Views
You should read up on OCD and hair dryers. Or really on mental illness at all. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:02:22 PM 297 Views
Oh yeah? Do they cause permanent damage to their bodies? *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:44:38 AM 266 Views
They cause permanent alterations to their bodies through the use of medicine. Ghavrel - 16/09/2017 07:11:57 AM 689 Views
Liposuction isn't an acceptable treatment for anorexia nervosa. AgentApple - 13/09/2017 11:08:07 AM 463 Views
It would be if it had the best prognosis for people with AN, though. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:06:11 PM 490 Views
No it wouldnt. Anorexics very often are underweight to begin with. How does liposuction help? Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:53:33 AM 609 Views
...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM 523 Views
I've been thinking about this point.... Jeordam - 18/09/2017 07:00:49 PM 496 Views
You know what might make my anxiety and severe depression easier to manage? Millions of dollars. Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:40:09 AM 408 Views
Sure. That's a decent point. I think there needs to be a discussion about children. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:06:51 AM 290 Views
I don't it is a question of good or bad but if it should be celibrated and treated as normal random thoughts - 13/09/2017 08:56:34 PM 475 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... Jeordam - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 527 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* Tom - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 335 Views
So how to protect little Pat from aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 475 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. Legolas - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 439 Views
I missed that part.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 418 Views
Yes. If you watch the whole video (15 mins), it's actually pretty nuanced and interesting. *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:10:07 PM 320 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 442 Views
Patrick, yes. Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 441 Views
Doctor shopping, of course aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 498 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 317 Views
Because it's not wrong...? aerocontrols - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 457 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 499 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system random thoughts - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 457 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 375 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 512 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 507 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 553 Views
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