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Stop. Now. Tom Send a noteboard - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM

Yes, you know how to make weasely arguments. You went to law school. They taught you well. Just stop, though. Stop. Now. You know there is no inherent truth in the arguments you're making. Reading a work of literature is nothing like hearing loud fireworks going off. In fact, the Army has soldiers read Ajax to show them that PTSD existed in the ancient world. Psychiatrists and psychologists are pretty uniform in arguing against avoidance as therapy. You know better. Stop the sophistry and just return to reality.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? The Shrike - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2614 Views
Good article. Tom - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 1091 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 989 Views
This makes me especially sad. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 952 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 643 Views
Definitely a possibility. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 965 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 1005 Views
Wait...you said *Rubio* was trying to push a positive, hopeful message? RUBIO? Tom - 17/10/2017 08:22:40 PM 946 Views
Maybe I shouldn't have omitted the disclaimer about his foreign policy. Legolas - 17/10/2017 08:33:37 PM 978 Views
Ok, fair enough Tom - 17/10/2017 09:15:14 PM 892 Views
Yes. I think the days of American armed intervention in Latin-America are well behind us. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:54:41 PM 935 Views
Regarding 'Make America Great Again'. Trump wasn't the first. He won't be the last. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:44:09 PM 1087 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* Hieshyn - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 619 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 600 Views
Interesting damookster - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 964 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 957 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority Roland00 - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 1027 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 544 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* Roland00 - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 554 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 random thoughts - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 909 Views
I still have hope The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 1020 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 1030 Views
So we are back in the Age of Romanticism. Western Civilization has been there before. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:58:04 PM 1009 Views
This article agrees with your assessment The Shrike - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 1085 Views
I appreciate your amendment. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1251 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 969 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. nossy - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 1038 Views
Most of us are very good at that random thoughts - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 982 Views
Thanks. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 889 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 968 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 929 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 877 Views
Nods Roland00 - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 906 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 1079 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 982 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? damookster - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 961 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 1150 Views
Stop. Now. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 878 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 920 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. The Shrike - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 962 Views
That's reasonable. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 935 Views
Third party website? I fully support that. The Shrike - 20/10/2017 12:41:33 PM 1107 Views
Peace for our time! I agree with everything you wrote here. I'm always a sucker for more studies. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:03:31 AM 505 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist random thoughts - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 850 Views
Yeah but they don't necessarily exist for works of literature usually read at the university level The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:28:35 PM 883 Views
That is true but it could fixed if there was more demand random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:00:21 PM 903 Views
I feel like I now need a trigger warning for trigger warnings. *NM* The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:48:47 PM 582 Views
Fuck you Tom Roland00 - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 1051 Views
Oh come on... Belals Girl - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 963 Views
HAHAHA! This from the person who can't even write a coherent post *NM* Tom - 20/10/2017 07:10:45 PM 538 Views
Oh please damookster - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 1004 Views
Re: Oh please Ghavrel - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 948 Views
What is your basis for arguing that "trigger warnings" are beneficial? Tom - 20/10/2017 07:19:42 PM 931 Views
Ha! Joke's on you! We don't do interrogatories in the criminal system. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:01:54 AM 932 Views
If you are not proposing altering any literature... Tom - 22/10/2017 04:28:53 PM 927 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 935 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 863 Views
An unnecessary tool.... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 908 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 871 Views
I would challenge that statment.... Jeordam - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 1078 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* random thoughts - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 510 Views
Forget it, mook. He's just being a silly, stupid kid. He should know better. *NM* Tom - 19/10/2017 06:17:28 AM 621 Views
Agreed. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 1027 Views
Interesting article. Legolas - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 934 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? Roland00 - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 917 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor Cannoli - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 982 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 926 Views
I apologize before hand Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 922 Views
Only made it through page 2. Were there separate graphs for just N. American/West European nations? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:04:05 PM 908 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up nossy - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1134 Views
Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 1046 Views
I hate blaming things nossy - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 1107 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase Tom - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 1045 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. nossy - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 1139 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 917 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 497 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 895 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 961 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 979 Views
So now we are at episode 6 The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 833 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 522 Views
Yes The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 885 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 850 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 474 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* LiterateDog - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 582 Views
*NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 514 Views
*NM* The Shrike - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 505 Views
Snorts / Laughs so hard that I almost lost the drink I was enjoying. *NM* Roland00 - 19/10/2017 06:00:47 AM 542 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 952 Views
Agreed with all your points. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 972 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 925 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 961 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. Legolas - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 934 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* random thoughts - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 547 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* Legolas - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 544 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 977 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 577 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail Roland00 - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 990 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 982 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 929 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 835 Views
damn it *NM* damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 475 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 938 Views
Maybe, maybe not... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 863 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. The Shrike - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 907 Views
I see this as... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 884 Views
I kind of break them down into two types Vodalus - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 1006 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 913 Views
Definitely more than a bit. The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 853 Views
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