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Stop. Now. Tom Send a noteboard - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM

Yes, you know how to make weasely arguments. You went to law school. They taught you well. Just stop, though. Stop. Now. You know there is no inherent truth in the arguments you're making. Reading a work of literature is nothing like hearing loud fireworks going off. In fact, the Army has soldiers read Ajax to show them that PTSD existed in the ancient world. Psychiatrists and psychologists are pretty uniform in arguing against avoidance as therapy. You know better. Stop the sophistry and just return to reality.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? The Shrike - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2489 Views
Good article. Tom - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 992 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 906 Views
This makes me especially sad. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 846 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 602 Views
Definitely a possibility. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 851 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 923 Views
Wait...you said *Rubio* was trying to push a positive, hopeful message? RUBIO? Tom - 17/10/2017 08:22:40 PM 859 Views
Maybe I shouldn't have omitted the disclaimer about his foreign policy. Legolas - 17/10/2017 08:33:37 PM 876 Views
Ok, fair enough Tom - 17/10/2017 09:15:14 PM 801 Views
Yes. I think the days of American armed intervention in Latin-America are well behind us. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:54:41 PM 837 Views
Regarding 'Make America Great Again'. Trump wasn't the first. He won't be the last. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:44:09 PM 985 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* Hieshyn - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 567 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 534 Views
Interesting damookster - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 891 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 856 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority Roland00 - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 935 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 512 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* Roland00 - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 505 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 random thoughts - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 812 Views
I still have hope The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 925 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... LiterateDog - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 900 Views
So we are back in the Age of Romanticism. Western Civilization has been there before. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 12:58:04 PM 884 Views
This article agrees with your assessment The Shrike - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 977 Views
I appreciate your amendment. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1154 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside random thoughts - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 878 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. nossy - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 955 Views
Most of us are very good at that random thoughts - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 886 Views
Thanks. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 799 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 859 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 836 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 791 Views
Nods Roland00 - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 809 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 995 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 870 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? damookster - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 858 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 1037 Views
Stop. Now. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 797 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 833 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. The Shrike - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 872 Views
That's reasonable. Ghavrel - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 837 Views
Third party website? I fully support that. The Shrike - 20/10/2017 12:41:33 PM 960 Views
Peace for our time! I agree with everything you wrote here. I'm always a sucker for more studies. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:03:31 AM 468 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist random thoughts - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 769 Views
Yeah but they don't necessarily exist for works of literature usually read at the university level The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:28:35 PM 792 Views
That is true but it could fixed if there was more demand random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:00:21 PM 806 Views
I feel like I now need a trigger warning for trigger warnings. *NM* The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:48:47 PM 546 Views
Fuck you Tom Roland00 - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 958 Views
Oh come on... Belals Girl - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 848 Views
HAHAHA! This from the person who can't even write a coherent post *NM* Tom - 20/10/2017 07:10:45 PM 504 Views
Oh please damookster - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 922 Views
Re: Oh please Ghavrel - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 856 Views
What is your basis for arguing that "trigger warnings" are beneficial? Tom - 20/10/2017 07:19:42 PM 829 Views
Ha! Joke's on you! We don't do interrogatories in the criminal system. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:01:54 AM 854 Views
If you are not proposing altering any literature... Tom - 22/10/2017 04:28:53 PM 838 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 834 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 767 Views
An unnecessary tool.... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 785 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 781 Views
I would challenge that statment.... Jeordam - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 972 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* random thoughts - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 468 Views
Forget it, mook. He's just being a silly, stupid kid. He should know better. *NM* Tom - 19/10/2017 06:17:28 AM 580 Views
Agreed. Tom - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 938 Views
Interesting article. Legolas - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 843 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? Roland00 - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 823 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor Cannoli - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 896 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 828 Views
I apologize before hand Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 814 Views
Only made it through page 2. Were there separate graphs for just N. American/West European nations? The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:04:05 PM 806 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up nossy - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1044 Views
Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 941 Views
I hate blaming things nossy - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 1002 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase Tom - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 949 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. nossy - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 1029 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 816 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* Ghavrel - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 460 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 800 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 855 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 837 Views
So now we are at episode 6 The Shrike - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 735 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 482 Views
Yes The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 796 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? Roland00 - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 756 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 428 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* LiterateDog - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 538 Views
*NM* damookster - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 466 Views
*NM* The Shrike - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 459 Views
Snorts / Laughs so hard that I almost lost the drink I was enjoying. *NM* Roland00 - 19/10/2017 06:00:47 AM 497 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. Legolas - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 867 Views
Agreed with all your points. The Shrike - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 870 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. Legolas - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 841 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. The Shrike - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 848 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. Legolas - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 833 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* random thoughts - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 500 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* Legolas - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 500 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 881 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* HyogaRott - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 535 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail Roland00 - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 894 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 899 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 838 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... Jeordam - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 748 Views
damn it *NM* damookster - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 433 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. Ghavrel - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 840 Views
Maybe, maybe not... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 752 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. The Shrike - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 816 Views
I see this as... Jeordam - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 797 Views
I kind of break them down into two types Vodalus - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 894 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? random thoughts - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 836 Views
Definitely more than a bit. The Shrike - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 765 Views
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