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I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. You don't refer to people by 'it'. Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/11/2018 08:09:34 AM

He or she, or nowadays they for some transgender or non-binary people.

Obviously Aran'gar is a different case from transgender people in the real world, and hardly someone they would identify with, or would want to. But that doesn't mean it makes sense to use 'it'. And yes, I'd agree with fionwe that if you use 'it' for Aran'gar, that suggests you'd do the same for transgender or non-binary people in real life. That suggests that people who are for whatever reason neither fully male nor fully female (or don't think of themselves as such) are somehow not human.

'Misgendering' Aran'gar by continuing to use 'he' until the end - or, as mook seemed to be suggesting, by using 'they' - would have been one thing. What with the saidin use, there's an argument to be made for using 'he' within the WoT universe, even if it's jarring since the character so clearly views herself as a woman later on. But dehumanizing her by using 'it' is something else.

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Aran'gar and the trans issue. - 13/11/2018 12:25:48 AM 631 Views
This is exactly why the knee-jerk response was so amusing. - 13/11/2018 01:18:28 AM 349 Views
I think you could argue it's surprisingly apt. - 13/11/2018 01:31:37 AM 385 Views
I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. You don't refer to people by 'it'. - 13/11/2018 08:09:34 AM 352 Views
People are refered to by "it" all the time.... - 13/11/2018 05:26:33 PM 345 Views
But remember, human fetuses aren't people. /s *NM* - 13/11/2018 05:42:00 PM 276 Views
Your second example rather proves my point, don't you think? - 13/11/2018 07:50:39 PM 332 Views
and those of us defending Cannoli maintain - 13/11/2018 07:59:08 PM 311 Views
I'm not really commenting on Cannoli's post.... - 13/11/2018 09:20:13 PM 328 Views
FWIW mine was concerning ambiguity - 13/11/2018 11:01:03 PM 361 Views
Okay, sure. - 13/11/2018 11:26:58 PM 352 Views
Interesting.... - 13/11/2018 11:36:43 PM 335 Views
Because it is just contempt - 13/11/2018 11:45:08 PM 472 Views
I think I mostly covered that above, but I can recap. - 14/11/2018 08:02:51 AM 342 Views
Who's on the phone? - 14/11/2018 01:53:14 AM 345 Views
Sure, I agree. - 14/11/2018 07:45:58 AM 353 Views
Aran'gar does not, and doesn't have to represent, trangender people for your usage to be wrong - 13/11/2018 03:21:42 PM 355 Views
Except that it isn't a person, it is a character in a book - 14/11/2018 02:57:12 PM 337 Views
So? - 14/11/2018 07:18:10 PM 344 Views
Re: So? - 17/11/2018 02:13:37 PM 314 Views
Upon reflection, I have edited the original post - 13/11/2018 08:02:17 PM 345 Views
Thank you. *NM* - 13/11/2018 11:31:41 PM 166 Views

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