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I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. You don't refer to people by 'it'. Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/11/2018 08:09:34 AM

He or she, or nowadays they for some transgender or non-binary people.

Obviously Aran'gar is a different case from transgender people in the real world, and hardly someone they would identify with, or would want to. But that doesn't mean it makes sense to use 'it'. And yes, I'd agree with fionwe that if you use 'it' for Aran'gar, that suggests you'd do the same for transgender or non-binary people in real life. That suggests that people who are for whatever reason neither fully male nor fully female (or don't think of themselves as such) are somehow not human.

'Misgendering' Aran'gar by continuing to use 'he' until the end - or, as mook seemed to be suggesting, by using 'they' - would have been one thing. What with the saidin use, there's an argument to be made for using 'he' within the WoT universe, even if it's jarring since the character so clearly views herself as a woman later on. But dehumanizing her by using 'it' is something else.

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Aran'gar and the trans issue. - 13/11/2018 12:25:48 AM 852 Views
This is exactly why the knee-jerk response was so amusing. - 13/11/2018 01:18:28 AM 547 Views
I think you could argue it's surprisingly apt. - 13/11/2018 01:31:37 AM 582 Views
I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. You don't refer to people by 'it'. - 13/11/2018 08:09:34 AM 534 Views
People are refered to by "it" all the time.... - 13/11/2018 05:26:33 PM 541 Views
But remember, human fetuses aren't people. /s *NM* - 13/11/2018 05:42:00 PM 366 Views
Your second example rather proves my point, don't you think? - 13/11/2018 07:50:39 PM 544 Views
and those of us defending Cannoli maintain - 13/11/2018 07:59:08 PM 486 Views
I'm not really commenting on Cannoli's post.... - 13/11/2018 09:20:13 PM 520 Views
FWIW mine was concerning ambiguity - 13/11/2018 11:01:03 PM 550 Views
Okay, sure. - 13/11/2018 11:26:58 PM 559 Views
Interesting.... - 13/11/2018 11:36:43 PM 521 Views
Because it is just contempt - 13/11/2018 11:45:08 PM 674 Views
I think I mostly covered that above, but I can recap. - 14/11/2018 08:02:51 AM 542 Views
Who's on the phone? - 14/11/2018 01:53:14 AM 538 Views
Sure, I agree. - 14/11/2018 07:45:58 AM 543 Views
Aran'gar does not, and doesn't have to represent, trangender people for your usage to be wrong - 13/11/2018 03:21:42 PM 551 Views
Except that it isn't a person, it is a character in a book - 14/11/2018 02:57:12 PM 528 Views
So? - 14/11/2018 07:18:10 PM 525 Views
Re: So? - 17/11/2018 02:13:37 PM 506 Views
Upon reflection, I have edited the original post - 13/11/2018 08:02:17 PM 521 Views
Thank you. *NM* - 13/11/2018 11:31:41 PM 251 Views

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