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I'm uncertain if this is what Ghavrel meant, but I'd assume you don't need proof that slavery... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/06/2020 07:59:07 PM

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How does one determine that their wealth is "stolen"? Another question is by what measurement was that determination made from? And yet another question is who are you to make that determination?

~Jeordam


...caused wealth to be stolen? Every slave who earned no or very limited wages contributed to the economy of this country and was denied fair compensation for the economic value their brought in, no?

When they were never compensated for multiple generations of such theft, why would the descendents of those slaves be obliged to respect and refrain from harming the property of those who still continue to disproportionately enjoy the fruits of that theft?

It is one thing to ask for that respect while also insisting on and working to correct the impacts of that theft, either by fighting for reparations or other economic compensatory mechanisms.

But Cannoli has stated that such asks are nonsensical. He represents the very system that insists that it is okay to steal away people from another continent, make them and their descendents work for generations with no compensation, then turns around and insists their descendents respect property and goods today.

He has no moral standing for his case.

Unsure if that is what Ghavrel meant.

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I'm curious. damookster - 08/06/2020 06:59:18 PM 1315 Views
Knowledge is always uncertain, there will always be under and overreactions. Roland00 - 08/06/2020 07:06:35 PM 579 Views
I would expect so, yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 08:00:59 PM 291 Views
That yes is for which question? Or is it for both? *NM* damookster - 08/06/2020 08:23:06 PM 309 Views
The first one. Otherwise I'd have said no and yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 09:19:48 PM 299 Views
Yes, I believe we will... fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:15:30 PM 635 Views
Why are you so invested in either closing down the country or the seriousness of the flu? Cannoli - 09/06/2020 06:37:24 PM 671 Views
Because I care about my fellow human being, cockroach. Go infest somewhere else. I'm done with you. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 08:35:42 PM 313 Views
Except you don't. You really, REALLY want this disease to be worse than it is. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:06:50 AM 624 Views
Sure. Anyone who disagrees with you wants mass poverty or mass death. No other possibility exists... fionwe1987 - 12/06/2020 02:44:08 PM 602 Views
Fionwe same as other alt-left crazies Nargs - 16/06/2020 05:24:12 PM 655 Views
I dunno what's "alt" about it. We're the mainstream. Which must scare you fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:06:44 PM 554 Views
Dissonance Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:02:08 PM 564 Views
Do you think it's possible to disagree, even vehemently damookster - 16/06/2020 08:14:50 PM 617 Views
I'm sure it is, in some conditions. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:43:50 PM 638 Views
I am not a middle aged white man. I'm an old white man. damookster - 16/06/2020 06:15:52 PM 609 Views
Evidence is not on your side, damook *NM* Nargs - 16/06/2020 07:27:39 PM 315 Views
Much like... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:34:14 PM 655 Views
Statistically Insignificant Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:07:03 PM 576 Views
Stats don't tell the whole story. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:06:17 PM 562 Views
You're right but on race? Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:08:40 PM 612 Views
Yes, you're right. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:17:04 PM 560 Views
You realize that's not a contradiction, right? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:49:56 PM 605 Views
A few points gban007 - 17/06/2020 09:29:15 PM 600 Views
I wasn't going to say it but... Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:17:57 PM 601 Views
Again: you really are a loathsome little ball of slime. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:11:52 AM 573 Views
It's not my world, it's theirs. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:13:14 AM 600 Views
Burning down corporate stores and taking their stolen wealth is a moral good. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/06/2020 12:04:52 AM 318 Views
Stolen Wealth? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 04:50:59 PM 601 Views
How does one determine what is Original Sin? Roland00 - 15/06/2020 05:17:37 PM 601 Views
So then.... Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:59:31 PM 595 Views
I'm uncertain if this is what Ghavrel meant, but I'd assume you don't need proof that slavery... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 07:59:07 PM 593 Views
So we're talking about reparations....? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:42:37 PM 619 Views
Why must money solve "all" issues? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 11:32:05 PM 575 Views
So then money won't... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:09:24 PM 632 Views
fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:29:59 PM 573 Views
Those aren't codified examples Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:31:49 PM 596 Views
Well that's some special nonsense fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:55:42 PM 592 Views
We're having a discussion...please try and not denigrate me. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:26:36 PM 599 Views
But I didn't clearly state I want to denigrate you. You're inferring intent. How's that ok? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:06:28 PM 584 Views
Pain and Death they *actively* choose... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:39:13 PM 612 Views
They make no such choice. Which is why they're out there protesting fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 07:00:25 PM 619 Views
Sigh Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:15:12 PM 570 Views
Nah I just straight up think capitalism is evil. Reparations should be paid, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:22:46 AM 298 Views
Fair enough. *NM* fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:54:11 PM 289 Views
aaah... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:10:16 PM 604 Views
Re: Stolen Wealth? Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:21:32 AM 568 Views
Rather it should be The State? *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:10:59 PM 281 Views
What is "the State" fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:57:34 PM 576 Views
my comment was directed to Ghavrel. damookster - 16/06/2020 04:49:39 PM 574 Views
You shouldn't make assumptions... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:10:02 PM 579 Views
Lemme tell you about this cool thing called syndicalism... *NM* Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:46:38 AM 303 Views
There's a lot I like about that... *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:07:47 PM 268 Views
Syndicalisme révolutionnaire, peut-être? *NM* damookster - 17/06/2020 06:29:00 PM 271 Views
I'm actually still a reformist, believe it or not. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:29:18 PM 285 Views
Bah *NM* damookster - 18/06/2020 03:36:20 PM 259 Views
I been thinking about the different religious sects of Himboism, suddenly ... Roland00 - 29/06/2020 01:30:09 AM 588 Views
The only state with legitimacy is the Kingdom of Heaven. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:57:26 PM 272 Views
Are we talking about the Mormon Sect? Roland00 - 16/06/2020 09:06:14 PM 540 Views
My bad damookster - 16/06/2020 10:20:14 PM 593 Views
In fairness, I usually talk policy goals as a social democrat. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 12:34:45 AM 588 Views
They The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:29:35 PM 590 Views
damookster - 17/06/2020 06:40:30 PM 591 Views
I go by she and her, but thank you. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:46 PM 307 Views
I try to be very sensitive to this. damookster - 18/06/2020 03:55:01 PM 595 Views
It means a great deal to me. I can't overstate how much it means to your grandson. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:53 PM 313 Views
Catholicism by itself is a Performance Arts Piece Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:17:45 AM 552 Views
A Catholic?! What?! I'm an Episcopalian. Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:24 PM 618 Views
No thanks. Not into non-democracies. *NM* The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:26:29 PM 279 Views
Ah a fellow Devil's Party Member. *NM* Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:13:37 AM 267 Views
I can empathize with this view, actually, though I no longer hold it. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:47:24 PM 288 Views
That's the debate, isn't it. Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:16:10 PM 543 Views
Economists have been arguing this for over 400 years. Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:22:57 PM 581 Views
You could let the market determine that, I guess. Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:56:23 PM 575 Views
Because we do not live in Paradise. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:36:58 PM 551 Views
Exactly. So the worker should own the means of production with other workers. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:11:21 PM 579 Views
So my question then is.... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:46:11 PM 615 Views
Sigh...I just can't not. Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:20:09 AM 536 Views
You know "talent" in the Bible is explictly referring to money, right? Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:43:11 PM 610 Views
Jesus also said it is easier for a camel to pass though a needle's eye... damookster - 18/06/2020 03:49:43 PM 553 Views
This is true! Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:16 PM 604 Views
Thou shalt not steal. *NM* The Shrike - 15/06/2020 11:10:34 PM 266 Views
"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:19:26 AM 280 Views
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:13:15 PM 250 Views
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. *NM* The Shrike - 16/06/2020 12:15:04 PM 268 Views
"Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you..." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 10:15:41 PM 286 Views
Is a concern of mine gban007 - 08/06/2020 10:16:09 PM 578 Views
A natural experiment fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:42:34 PM 554 Views
Yes, we probably will. But demonstrators wearing masks are not normal life. Ghavrel - 09/06/2020 07:10:31 AM 601 Views
I'm not sure that's a valid comparison. damookster - 09/06/2020 05:57:31 PM 567 Views
Agreed. These aren't comparable situations. fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 06:09:27 PM 583 Views
Down South that is called Communism Mookie. Roland00 - 09/06/2020 06:32:06 PM 582 Views
Alabama is down south, right? aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:08:15 PM 565 Views
I was comparing it to a control situation of no state action in response to SARS-CoV-2. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:09:19 AM 569 Views
We have all the same rules here in Seattle Bad Ash - 10/06/2020 07:45:59 PM 596 Views
I figured you aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:09:36 PM 557 Views
About your original question... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 09:25:38 PM 597 Views
that is encouraging damookster - 17/06/2020 09:44:10 PM 595 Views
Re: that is encouraging fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 10:10:34 PM 535 Views
Seems indoors with strangers is more a predictor than outdoor protests. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 02:38:07 AM 641 Views
Tips, maybe? fionwe1987 - 27/06/2020 05:10:30 AM 595 Views
Perhaps Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:39 PM 533 Views
A 315 city study, BLM protests did not cause a spike in COVID cases. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:05 PM 591 Views
Sigh, here is some bad news. Case Reports and a Lab study suggests COVID may cause type 1 diabetes Roland00 - 28/06/2020 06:11:45 AM 552 Views
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