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So we're talking about reparations....? Jeordam Send a noteboard - 15/06/2020 09:42:37 PM

Is that what this whole thing is about? Would handing money out fix all of these issues? Let's say that money was given to every decedent of those who were slaves....that would make the issues we are seeing go away? I'm not being passive/aggressive in asking this. I'm honestly thinking if you believe money is the issue here.

I've been observing the fact that money is an excuse, but not the actual issue. The actual issue is far deeper and has much more to do with individual beliefs, rather than a system structured with discrimination.

I'd be all for having a discussion about reparations, but I'm pretty positive that money is not going to solve this issue.

~Jeordam

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I'm curious. damookster - 08/06/2020 06:59:18 PM 1365 Views
Knowledge is always uncertain, there will always be under and overreactions. Roland00 - 08/06/2020 07:06:35 PM 622 Views
I would expect so, yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 08:00:59 PM 315 Views
That yes is for which question? Or is it for both? *NM* damookster - 08/06/2020 08:23:06 PM 326 Views
The first one. Otherwise I'd have said no and yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 09:19:48 PM 317 Views
Yes, I believe we will... fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:15:30 PM 670 Views
Why are you so invested in either closing down the country or the seriousness of the flu? Cannoli - 09/06/2020 06:37:24 PM 702 Views
Because I care about my fellow human being, cockroach. Go infest somewhere else. I'm done with you. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 08:35:42 PM 340 Views
Except you don't. You really, REALLY want this disease to be worse than it is. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:06:50 AM 665 Views
Sure. Anyone who disagrees with you wants mass poverty or mass death. No other possibility exists... fionwe1987 - 12/06/2020 02:44:08 PM 641 Views
Fionwe same as other alt-left crazies Nargs - 16/06/2020 05:24:12 PM 699 Views
I dunno what's "alt" about it. We're the mainstream. Which must scare you fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:06:44 PM 589 Views
Dissonance Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:02:08 PM 608 Views
Do you think it's possible to disagree, even vehemently damookster - 16/06/2020 08:14:50 PM 652 Views
I'm sure it is, in some conditions. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:43:50 PM 679 Views
I am not a middle aged white man. I'm an old white man. damookster - 16/06/2020 06:15:52 PM 653 Views
Evidence is not on your side, damook *NM* Nargs - 16/06/2020 07:27:39 PM 330 Views
Much like... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:34:14 PM 689 Views
Statistically Insignificant Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:07:03 PM 618 Views
Stats don't tell the whole story. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:06:17 PM 604 Views
You're right but on race? Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:08:40 PM 655 Views
Yes, you're right. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:17:04 PM 597 Views
You realize that's not a contradiction, right? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:49:56 PM 645 Views
A few points gban007 - 17/06/2020 09:29:15 PM 649 Views
I wasn't going to say it but... Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:17:57 PM 645 Views
Again: you really are a loathsome little ball of slime. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:11:52 AM 613 Views
It's not my world, it's theirs. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:13:14 AM 638 Views
Burning down corporate stores and taking their stolen wealth is a moral good. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/06/2020 12:04:52 AM 335 Views
Stolen Wealth? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 04:50:59 PM 641 Views
How does one determine what is Original Sin? Roland00 - 15/06/2020 05:17:37 PM 640 Views
So then.... Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:59:31 PM 649 Views
I'm uncertain if this is what Ghavrel meant, but I'd assume you don't need proof that slavery... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 07:59:07 PM 633 Views
So we're talking about reparations....? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:42:37 PM 660 Views
Why must money solve "all" issues? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 11:32:05 PM 622 Views
So then money won't... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:09:24 PM 674 Views
fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:29:59 PM 616 Views
Those aren't codified examples Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:31:49 PM 635 Views
Well that's some special nonsense fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:55:42 PM 630 Views
We're having a discussion...please try and not denigrate me. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:26:36 PM 634 Views
But I didn't clearly state I want to denigrate you. You're inferring intent. How's that ok? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:06:28 PM 625 Views
Pain and Death they *actively* choose... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:39:13 PM 649 Views
They make no such choice. Which is why they're out there protesting fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 07:00:25 PM 658 Views
Sigh Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:15:12 PM 615 Views
Nah I just straight up think capitalism is evil. Reparations should be paid, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:22:46 AM 321 Views
Fair enough. *NM* fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:54:11 PM 313 Views
aaah... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:10:16 PM 645 Views
Re: Stolen Wealth? Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:21:32 AM 607 Views
Rather it should be The State? *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:10:59 PM 301 Views
What is "the State" fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:57:34 PM 611 Views
my comment was directed to Ghavrel. damookster - 16/06/2020 04:49:39 PM 613 Views
You shouldn't make assumptions... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:10:02 PM 619 Views
Lemme tell you about this cool thing called syndicalism... *NM* Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:46:38 AM 322 Views
There's a lot I like about that... *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:07:47 PM 285 Views
Syndicalisme révolutionnaire, peut-être? *NM* damookster - 17/06/2020 06:29:00 PM 293 Views
I'm actually still a reformist, believe it or not. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:29:18 PM 304 Views
Bah *NM* damookster - 18/06/2020 03:36:20 PM 276 Views
I been thinking about the different religious sects of Himboism, suddenly ... Roland00 - 29/06/2020 01:30:09 AM 630 Views
The only state with legitimacy is the Kingdom of Heaven. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:57:26 PM 291 Views
Are we talking about the Mormon Sect? Roland00 - 16/06/2020 09:06:14 PM 578 Views
My bad damookster - 16/06/2020 10:20:14 PM 626 Views
In fairness, I usually talk policy goals as a social democrat. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 12:34:45 AM 627 Views
They The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:29:35 PM 639 Views
damookster - 17/06/2020 06:40:30 PM 627 Views
I go by she and her, but thank you. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:46 PM 326 Views
I try to be very sensitive to this. damookster - 18/06/2020 03:55:01 PM 635 Views
It means a great deal to me. I can't overstate how much it means to your grandson. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:53 PM 331 Views
Catholicism by itself is a Performance Arts Piece Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:17:45 AM 597 Views
A Catholic?! What?! I'm an Episcopalian. Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:24 PM 660 Views
No thanks. Not into non-democracies. *NM* The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:26:29 PM 296 Views
Ah a fellow Devil's Party Member. *NM* Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:13:37 AM 285 Views
I can empathize with this view, actually, though I no longer hold it. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:47:24 PM 304 Views
That's the debate, isn't it. Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:16:10 PM 582 Views
Economists have been arguing this for over 400 years. Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:22:57 PM 618 Views
You could let the market determine that, I guess. Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:56:23 PM 626 Views
Because we do not live in Paradise. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:36:58 PM 588 Views
Exactly. So the worker should own the means of production with other workers. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:11:21 PM 616 Views
So my question then is.... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:46:11 PM 656 Views
Sigh...I just can't not. Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:20:09 AM 576 Views
You know "talent" in the Bible is explictly referring to money, right? Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:43:11 PM 647 Views
Jesus also said it is easier for a camel to pass though a needle's eye... damookster - 18/06/2020 03:49:43 PM 585 Views
This is true! Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:16 PM 644 Views
Thou shalt not steal. *NM* The Shrike - 15/06/2020 11:10:34 PM 289 Views
"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:19:26 AM 300 Views
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:13:15 PM 264 Views
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. *NM* The Shrike - 16/06/2020 12:15:04 PM 285 Views
"Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you..." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 10:15:41 PM 306 Views
Is a concern of mine gban007 - 08/06/2020 10:16:09 PM 618 Views
A natural experiment fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:42:34 PM 596 Views
Yes, we probably will. But demonstrators wearing masks are not normal life. Ghavrel - 09/06/2020 07:10:31 AM 636 Views
I'm not sure that's a valid comparison. damookster - 09/06/2020 05:57:31 PM 600 Views
Agreed. These aren't comparable situations. fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 06:09:27 PM 619 Views
Down South that is called Communism Mookie. Roland00 - 09/06/2020 06:32:06 PM 623 Views
Alabama is down south, right? aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:08:15 PM 598 Views
I was comparing it to a control situation of no state action in response to SARS-CoV-2. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:09:19 AM 612 Views
We have all the same rules here in Seattle Bad Ash - 10/06/2020 07:45:59 PM 631 Views
I figured you aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:09:36 PM 594 Views
About your original question... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 09:25:38 PM 634 Views
that is encouraging damookster - 17/06/2020 09:44:10 PM 633 Views
Re: that is encouraging fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 10:10:34 PM 583 Views
Seems indoors with strangers is more a predictor than outdoor protests. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 02:38:07 AM 691 Views
Tips, maybe? fionwe1987 - 27/06/2020 05:10:30 AM 637 Views
Perhaps Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:39 PM 572 Views
A 315 city study, BLM protests did not cause a spike in COVID cases. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:05 PM 636 Views
Sigh, here is some bad news. Case Reports and a Lab study suggests COVID may cause type 1 diabetes Roland00 - 28/06/2020 06:11:45 AM 585 Views
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