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You could let the market determine that, I guess. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 16/06/2020 08:56:23 PM

But you're asking the wrong questions. It's not "does the worker deserve $15/hr," but "why is the wealth being created by the worker going somewhere other than to him?" And the answer is simple: because somebody else owns the franchise. That person extracts wealth by virtue of allowing people to operate the means of production.

If our country WEREN'T captivated by the lust for money, why are there people choosing between rent and medicine each month?

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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I'm curious. damookster - 08/06/2020 06:59:18 PM 1347 Views
Knowledge is always uncertain, there will always be under and overreactions. Roland00 - 08/06/2020 07:06:35 PM 602 Views
I would expect so, yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 08:00:59 PM 307 Views
That yes is for which question? Or is it for both? *NM* damookster - 08/06/2020 08:23:06 PM 319 Views
The first one. Otherwise I'd have said no and yes. *NM* Legolas - 08/06/2020 09:19:48 PM 311 Views
Yes, I believe we will... fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:15:30 PM 654 Views
Why are you so invested in either closing down the country or the seriousness of the flu? Cannoli - 09/06/2020 06:37:24 PM 687 Views
Because I care about my fellow human being, cockroach. Go infest somewhere else. I'm done with you. *NM* fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 08:35:42 PM 333 Views
Except you don't. You really, REALLY want this disease to be worse than it is. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:06:50 AM 650 Views
Sure. Anyone who disagrees with you wants mass poverty or mass death. No other possibility exists... fionwe1987 - 12/06/2020 02:44:08 PM 626 Views
Fionwe same as other alt-left crazies Nargs - 16/06/2020 05:24:12 PM 682 Views
I dunno what's "alt" about it. We're the mainstream. Which must scare you fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:06:44 PM 578 Views
Dissonance Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:02:08 PM 589 Views
Do you think it's possible to disagree, even vehemently damookster - 16/06/2020 08:14:50 PM 638 Views
I'm sure it is, in some conditions. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:43:50 PM 663 Views
I am not a middle aged white man. I'm an old white man. damookster - 16/06/2020 06:15:52 PM 635 Views
Evidence is not on your side, damook *NM* Nargs - 16/06/2020 07:27:39 PM 323 Views
Much like... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:34:14 PM 670 Views
Statistically Insignificant Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:07:03 PM 603 Views
Stats don't tell the whole story. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:06:17 PM 591 Views
You're right but on race? Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:08:40 PM 637 Views
Yes, you're right. damookster - 16/06/2020 08:17:04 PM 585 Views
You realize that's not a contradiction, right? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:49:56 PM 631 Views
A few points gban007 - 17/06/2020 09:29:15 PM 633 Views
I wasn't going to say it but... Nargs - 16/06/2020 08:17:57 PM 630 Views
Again: you really are a loathsome little ball of slime. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:11:52 AM 600 Views
It's not my world, it's theirs. Cannoli - 12/06/2020 11:13:14 AM 624 Views
Burning down corporate stores and taking their stolen wealth is a moral good. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/06/2020 12:04:52 AM 328 Views
Stolen Wealth? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 04:50:59 PM 626 Views
How does one determine what is Original Sin? Roland00 - 15/06/2020 05:17:37 PM 626 Views
So then.... Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:59:31 PM 628 Views
I'm uncertain if this is what Ghavrel meant, but I'd assume you don't need proof that slavery... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 07:59:07 PM 620 Views
So we're talking about reparations....? Jeordam - 15/06/2020 09:42:37 PM 644 Views
Why must money solve "all" issues? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2020 11:32:05 PM 607 Views
So then money won't... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:09:24 PM 660 Views
fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:29:59 PM 597 Views
Those aren't codified examples Jeordam - 16/06/2020 07:31:49 PM 618 Views
Well that's some special nonsense fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 09:55:42 PM 616 Views
We're having a discussion...please try and not denigrate me. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:26:36 PM 618 Views
But I didn't clearly state I want to denigrate you. You're inferring intent. How's that ok? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:06:28 PM 610 Views
Pain and Death they *actively* choose... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:39:13 PM 633 Views
They make no such choice. Which is why they're out there protesting fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 07:00:25 PM 640 Views
Sigh Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:15:12 PM 601 Views
Nah I just straight up think capitalism is evil. Reparations should be paid, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:22:46 AM 311 Views
Fair enough. *NM* fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:54:11 PM 304 Views
aaah... Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:10:16 PM 631 Views
Re: Stolen Wealth? Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:21:32 AM 591 Views
Rather it should be The State? *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:10:59 PM 293 Views
What is "the State" fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 02:57:34 PM 596 Views
my comment was directed to Ghavrel. damookster - 16/06/2020 04:49:39 PM 597 Views
You shouldn't make assumptions... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2020 06:10:02 PM 598 Views
Lemme tell you about this cool thing called syndicalism... *NM* Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:46:38 AM 315 Views
There's a lot I like about that... *NM* fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 06:07:47 PM 280 Views
Syndicalisme révolutionnaire, peut-être? *NM* damookster - 17/06/2020 06:29:00 PM 283 Views
I'm actually still a reformist, believe it or not. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:29:18 PM 296 Views
Bah *NM* damookster - 18/06/2020 03:36:20 PM 270 Views
I been thinking about the different religious sects of Himboism, suddenly ... Roland00 - 29/06/2020 01:30:09 AM 615 Views
The only state with legitimacy is the Kingdom of Heaven. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:57:26 PM 282 Views
Are we talking about the Mormon Sect? Roland00 - 16/06/2020 09:06:14 PM 563 Views
My bad damookster - 16/06/2020 10:20:14 PM 614 Views
In fairness, I usually talk policy goals as a social democrat. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 12:34:45 AM 616 Views
They The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:29:35 PM 620 Views
damookster - 17/06/2020 06:40:30 PM 614 Views
I go by she and her, but thank you. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:46 PM 320 Views
I try to be very sensitive to this. damookster - 18/06/2020 03:55:01 PM 618 Views
It means a great deal to me. I can't overstate how much it means to your grandson. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:53 PM 324 Views
Catholicism by itself is a Performance Arts Piece Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:17:45 AM 580 Views
A Catholic?! What?! I'm an Episcopalian. Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:45:24 PM 641 Views
No thanks. Not into non-democracies. *NM* The Shrike - 17/06/2020 06:26:29 PM 289 Views
Ah a fellow Devil's Party Member. *NM* Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:13:37 AM 279 Views
I can empathize with this view, actually, though I no longer hold it. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:47:24 PM 298 Views
That's the debate, isn't it. Jeordam - 16/06/2020 06:16:10 PM 569 Views
Economists have been arguing this for over 400 years. Roland00 - 16/06/2020 08:22:57 PM 602 Views
You could let the market determine that, I guess. Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 08:56:23 PM 607 Views
Because we do not live in Paradise. Jeordam - 17/06/2020 05:36:58 PM 575 Views
Exactly. So the worker should own the means of production with other workers. Ghavrel - 17/06/2020 06:11:21 PM 602 Views
So my question then is.... Jeordam - 17/06/2020 06:46:11 PM 636 Views
Sigh...I just can't not. Roland00 - 18/06/2020 01:20:09 AM 559 Views
You know "talent" in the Bible is explictly referring to money, right? Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 03:43:11 PM 635 Views
Jesus also said it is easier for a camel to pass though a needle's eye... damookster - 18/06/2020 03:49:43 PM 570 Views
This is true! Ghavrel - 18/06/2020 04:04:16 PM 631 Views
Thou shalt not steal. *NM* The Shrike - 15/06/2020 11:10:34 PM 281 Views
"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 09:19:26 AM 292 Views
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" *NM* damookster - 16/06/2020 12:13:15 PM 259 Views
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. *NM* The Shrike - 16/06/2020 12:15:04 PM 278 Views
"Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you..." *NM* Ghavrel - 16/06/2020 10:15:41 PM 296 Views
Is a concern of mine gban007 - 08/06/2020 10:16:09 PM 605 Views
A natural experiment fionwe1987 - 08/06/2020 10:42:34 PM 582 Views
Yes, we probably will. But demonstrators wearing masks are not normal life. Ghavrel - 09/06/2020 07:10:31 AM 624 Views
I'm not sure that's a valid comparison. damookster - 09/06/2020 05:57:31 PM 587 Views
Agreed. These aren't comparable situations. fionwe1987 - 09/06/2020 06:09:27 PM 602 Views
Down South that is called Communism Mookie. Roland00 - 09/06/2020 06:32:06 PM 605 Views
Alabama is down south, right? aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:08:15 PM 582 Views
I was comparing it to a control situation of no state action in response to SARS-CoV-2. Ghavrel - 10/06/2020 02:09:19 AM 601 Views
We have all the same rules here in Seattle Bad Ash - 10/06/2020 07:45:59 PM 615 Views
I figured you aerocontrols - 09/06/2020 10:09:36 PM 582 Views
About your original question... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 09:25:38 PM 622 Views
that is encouraging damookster - 17/06/2020 09:44:10 PM 619 Views
Re: that is encouraging fionwe1987 - 17/06/2020 10:10:34 PM 569 Views
Seems indoors with strangers is more a predictor than outdoor protests. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 02:38:07 AM 674 Views
Tips, maybe? fionwe1987 - 27/06/2020 05:10:30 AM 619 Views
Perhaps Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:39 PM 556 Views
A 315 city study, BLM protests did not cause a spike in COVID cases. Roland00 - 27/06/2020 10:19:05 PM 612 Views
Sigh, here is some bad news. Case Reports and a Lab study suggests COVID may cause type 1 diabetes Roland00 - 28/06/2020 06:11:45 AM 573 Views
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