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I guess it wouldn't matter when it comes to actions, but this is just a proclamation? Legolas Send a noteboard - 31/12/2020 01:21:45 AM

It only matters to the extent that people might listen to what the president of the USA has to say - which would kind of depend on whether he has any credibility at all on the subject. Which Trump himself really doesn't.

View original post...so what? IDK why Pompeo, I know nothing about him with regard to religion, and give me Trump over Pence on the subject any day. An indifferent nominal Christian is much to be preferred to a devout evangelical apostate, from my (and Becket's) perspective.

Pompeo is an evangelical as well. Personally I'm a nominal Catholic, so not a particular fan of evangelicals or anything, but it does seem rather strange for you to prefer people who clearly aren't religious over devout Christians of another denomination. Seems like the kind of thing that maybe you could afford a century or two ago, but not so much anymore today.


View original postStipulating that he doesn't, why does it matter? How is he worse than EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT in that regard? What people on that side of the political spectrum get is that his own feelings don't matter, his actions do. His appointees to the Supreme Court are not notably worse as a whole than the Bushes' or Reagan's and a damn sight better than Nixon. To say nothing of the Democrats. I didn't vote for him because I DIDN'T trust him on the issue, but the motivations behind actions like this don't matter so much as the fact that he does them.

As I said in the subject line, not sure how this proclamation qualifies as an action. And if you look at it from a somewhat wider view, his administration's wider efforts to promote religious freedom globally, I will say that they do deserve some measure of credit for it, including for their attention to what China has been doing to the Uyghurs, but that's more despite Trump than thanks to him. His execrable international reputation has definitely made that campaign less influential than it otherwise could have been - to stick with the example of the Uyghurs, those criticisms would've been rather more credible if they hadn't come only at the time when Trump started looking for a stick to beat China with, after his sucking up to them turned out not to work too well.

If you want to compare him to every other president, well, at least in the past century or so, every other president carried a certain weight on the international stage, people abroad listened to what the president of the USA had to say. Trump has made such a mockery of the office that now people abroad are more inclined to do the opposite of whatever he pushes for, if they can be bothered to listen at all. George W Bush wasn't exactly popular abroad either, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as this - because at least he showed up and took his job seriously.

View original postI'm not sure where you get his indifference to religious freedom unless A. for you that means making absolutely sure Moslems get all the freedom they want and no one looking crosseyed at them or B. it's just a presumption born of your assessment of him as lacking any principles or interest in anything beyond his own self-indulgence. But it also means he has no interest in making churches hire people purporting to be married to same-sex concubines or pay for abortions or birth control or establish trans bathrooms on the premises.

Mostly B, yes.


View original postOf course Trump knows who Becket was! I'm shocked that you would think otherwise!

View original postThere was a movie, after all.

Heh.
View original postThe important thing is that there is someone in his administration who could write it and convince him to.

But what's the point of publishing it in his name? Religious freedom has been Pence's and Pompeo's thing - whether people like them or not (and, surprise surprise, I don't), there's no reason to doubt their interest in the issue and they could've written something like this. And unlike Trump, they are taken seriously by foreign audiences, up to a point.
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