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Yes, it is a big 'if'. I guess I'm an optimist? Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/11/2021 04:17:41 PM

View original postWhen I criticize this show for it's GOT-itization, I'm not saying I disliked the GOT show. I agree with you that it was a really good show that captured the spirit of the books, especially in the earlier seasons. WOT is not GOT, though. But the producers are trying to make WOT more like GOT in flavor, and that I do not like. The two book series had a completely different feel to them. Two series, both alike in dignity, but still not the same.

I'm not sure I agree about the GOT-itization. I do think the producers are toning down some aspects that contribute to the 'feel' as you call it of the books - the language with its own swearing words, for instance, as well as Jordan's generally more PG-13-approach to sexuality (and limited attention for LGBTQ people), or some of the endless 'X is so much better with women' talk that we all loved to roll our eyes at. But I don't think that's a question of imitating GoT, it's just a question of 'there's a limit to how much weirdness/inside jokes a mass audience can take' and a general change in social attitudes in the last thirty years.

But I didn't see them adding sex or violence for the heck of it - in episode three there's a scene which, if it had been in GoT, would most definitely have involved nudity to at least some degree, but here it remained PG-13 - and I might add, that scene is only vaguely similar to one in the books, but it's pretty decent in terms of writing and acting (and in passing establishes that gay men are far more normal in the TV series than in the books). The violence that's there is no worse or more graphic than what's in the book, even if some of it is completely stupid (the Perrin thing, plus basically all of Nynaeve's storyline in the first three episodes).

As for the characters, they're definitely making major changes, but not all in the direction of making their personalities or motivations darker. Less subtle, definitely, but that may be inevitable for a big fantasy show that doesn't have time to capture all the subtleties that Jordan did take time for - or if it did take the time, would need to cut even more of the plot than it already has. Greg talked about wanting more of a LotR feel, but the thing is, LotR has many hours to tell a much simpler plot with far fewer main characters - and even then, a lot of the good stuff ended up on the cutting floor and was only restored in the DVD versions (which I personally consider as the real movies, I'd suspect he agrees).

View original postBesides all that, I think the show (that I've seen) is just BAD, WOT or not.

Yeah, I'm hoping it'll get better. I might be wrong.
View original postOh well. I'm now reading Naomi Novik's Temeraire books, and they are delightful. Perhaps they, or a nice dick, can remove the bad flavor this adaptation has left in my mouth.

Heh. Whatever it takes, I guess.

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I am not even bothering with 2 & 3. - 21/11/2021 09:51:46 PM 764 Views
Other than that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln? *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:32:59 AM 85 Views
No stars, would not recommend. *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:57:28 PM 82 Views
I thought my link might make you laugh. Definitely two snaps down! *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:45:49 AM 121 Views
2 snaps down in a z formation! *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:58:01 PM 96 Views
Respectable Choice - 22/11/2021 01:39:37 AM 165 Views
Ugh. My main goal in life is to NOT be respectable. - 22/11/2021 02:25:52 PM 160 Views
Too bad! - 22/11/2021 02:59:24 PM 133 Views
A reasonable decision. - 22/11/2021 02:15:23 AM 203 Views
But I'm a thoroughly unreasonable person! - 22/11/2021 02:29:45 PM 146 Views
Then start acting like it! - 23/11/2021 07:00:54 PM 189 Views
Sanderson's providing some kind of running commentary... which does contain criticism. - 23/11/2021 07:59:10 PM 149 Views
Yes, I saw his comments on reddit. - 23/11/2021 09:41:33 PM 191 Views
Great read, thanks so much for posting! - 26/11/2021 05:54:06 PM 150 Views
Glad to hear it. - 26/11/2021 07:10:34 AM 169 Views
Good, those changes seem completely unnecessary and pointless. *NM* - 26/11/2021 05:43:39 PM 85 Views
I think the point to remember is, the early episodes were never going to be that great. - 22/11/2021 08:46:33 AM 176 Views
Eh, I think you give them too much slack. - 22/11/2021 02:33:04 PM 159 Views
It's possible I'll agree with that after having seen more episodes... - 22/11/2021 03:04:54 PM 158 Views
That's a big "if'. - 22/11/2021 03:31:11 PM 144 Views
*NM* - 22/11/2021 03:40:45 PM 73 Views
My work here is done! *NM* - 22/11/2021 04:01:43 PM 85 Views
Yes, it is a big 'if'. I guess I'm an optimist? - 22/11/2021 04:17:41 PM 152 Views
Agreed on - - 22/11/2021 05:27:28 PM 157 Views
Yes - neat addition, I thought, as is the map with the comments. - 22/11/2021 08:37:19 PM 145 Views
I liked the maps too! - 22/11/2021 09:36:09 PM 140 Views
Where are the extras ? :o *NM* - 23/11/2021 05:42:40 AM 79 Views
Via X-Ray --> Bonus Content *NM* - 23/11/2021 02:29:59 PM 78 Views
Hmmm I dont think I have that - 23/11/2021 08:03:52 PM 142 Views
Apparently some people need to download the Amazon Prime app to be able to see them. - 23/11/2021 08:22:31 PM 129 Views
Thanks - 24/11/2021 07:14:01 AM 149 Views
I kind of liked it - 22/11/2021 10:29:21 AM 150 Views
So, doesn't suck nearly as much as some other shows? I can accept that. *NM* - 22/11/2021 01:44:23 PM 127 Views
Re: So, doesn't suck nearly as much as some other shows? I can accept that. - 22/11/2021 02:11:57 PM 170 Views
I couldn't possibly disagree more. - 22/11/2021 03:11:32 PM 146 Views
#Justice4AbellCauthon - 22/11/2021 03:32:41 PM 135 Views
I'm kind of happy for you. - 22/11/2021 02:37:46 PM 139 Views
LOL - 22/11/2021 03:09:35 PM 123 Views
The problem with the show is - 22/11/2021 03:10:17 PM 178 Views
Well said! *NM* - 22/11/2021 03:17:18 PM 99 Views
Girl, you ain't lyin' with any of that. *NM* - 22/11/2021 03:23:42 PM 73 Views
I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 04:36:38 PM 140 Views
Re: I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 05:24:38 PM 141 Views
Re: I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 10:05:32 PM 135 Views
Just came across a related article... - 23/11/2021 06:23:31 PM 145 Views
Madden's read to book 11, apparently - 24/11/2021 02:57:46 AM 133 Views
Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 24/11/2021 08:17:24 AM 135 Views
Re: Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 26/11/2021 10:44:58 PM 140 Views
Let’s see if I got this right… - 27/11/2021 12:58:52 AM 131 Views
That about sums it up, yeah! *NM* - 27/11/2021 03:38:18 PM 73 Views
After all this time, you still can't handle the quoting system? - 27/11/2021 09:21:42 PM 118 Views
And they screwed that up so far! GOT..... - 23/11/2021 01:19:19 AM 125 Views
Yeah, what you said. - 05/12/2021 03:02:15 PM 116 Views
For my favorite well read pooch - 22/11/2021 05:03:55 PM 160 Views
I didn't make it more than 2 minutes into episode 1. - 22/11/2021 05:41:56 PM 168 Views
Wow, my paisan’ makes an appearance! Long time no talk, my friend. *NM* - 22/11/2021 06:36:54 PM 74 Views
Yeah it's been a while. - 22/11/2021 06:58:47 PM 123 Views
I don't understand this take - 22/11/2021 07:02:12 PM 157 Views
Re: I don't understand this take - 22/11/2021 07:15:42 PM 139 Views
the opening bothered me a little as well. - 22/11/2021 07:25:20 PM 154 Views
Re: the opening bothered me a little as well. - 23/11/2021 06:29:25 PM 141 Views
I'm well aware of the backstory and the different views on it. - 23/11/2021 07:11:19 PM 130 Views
Saidin and Saidar are in the show - 24/11/2021 03:00:50 AM 133 Views
According to the Dragonmount YouTube review as of the end of episode 6 it’s still just One Power *NM* - 24/11/2021 04:34:32 AM 63 Views
Episode 4 makes it pretty clear - 26/11/2021 10:40:07 PM 132 Views
Fair enough - 24/11/2021 09:02:50 AM 134 Views
I interpreted it differently - 23/11/2021 06:23:56 PM 152 Views
Re: I interpreted it differently - 23/11/2021 07:36:31 PM 122 Views
With regards to the pacing - 24/11/2021 07:29:36 AM 127 Views

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