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Yes, it is a big 'if'. I guess I'm an optimist? Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/11/2021 04:17:41 PM

View original postWhen I criticize this show for it's GOT-itization, I'm not saying I disliked the GOT show. I agree with you that it was a really good show that captured the spirit of the books, especially in the earlier seasons. WOT is not GOT, though. But the producers are trying to make WOT more like GOT in flavor, and that I do not like. The two book series had a completely different feel to them. Two series, both alike in dignity, but still not the same.

I'm not sure I agree about the GOT-itization. I do think the producers are toning down some aspects that contribute to the 'feel' as you call it of the books - the language with its own swearing words, for instance, as well as Jordan's generally more PG-13-approach to sexuality (and limited attention for LGBTQ people), or some of the endless 'X is so much better with women' talk that we all loved to roll our eyes at. But I don't think that's a question of imitating GoT, it's just a question of 'there's a limit to how much weirdness/inside jokes a mass audience can take' and a general change in social attitudes in the last thirty years.

But I didn't see them adding sex or violence for the heck of it - in episode three there's a scene which, if it had been in GoT, would most definitely have involved nudity to at least some degree, but here it remained PG-13 - and I might add, that scene is only vaguely similar to one in the books, but it's pretty decent in terms of writing and acting (and in passing establishes that gay men are far more normal in the TV series than in the books). The violence that's there is no worse or more graphic than what's in the book, even if some of it is completely stupid (the Perrin thing, plus basically all of Nynaeve's storyline in the first three episodes).

As for the characters, they're definitely making major changes, but not all in the direction of making their personalities or motivations darker. Less subtle, definitely, but that may be inevitable for a big fantasy show that doesn't have time to capture all the subtleties that Jordan did take time for - or if it did take the time, would need to cut even more of the plot than it already has. Greg talked about wanting more of a LotR feel, but the thing is, LotR has many hours to tell a much simpler plot with far fewer main characters - and even then, a lot of the good stuff ended up on the cutting floor and was only restored in the DVD versions (which I personally consider as the real movies, I'd suspect he agrees).

View original postBesides all that, I think the show (that I've seen) is just BAD, WOT or not.

Yeah, I'm hoping it'll get better. I might be wrong.
View original postOh well. I'm now reading Naomi Novik's Temeraire books, and they are delightful. Perhaps they, or a nice dick, can remove the bad flavor this adaptation has left in my mouth.

Heh. Whatever it takes, I guess.

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I am not even bothering with 2 & 3. - 21/11/2021 09:51:46 PM 804 Views
Other than that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln? *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:32:59 AM 113 Views
No stars, would not recommend. *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:57:28 PM 106 Views
I thought my link might make you laugh. Definitely two snaps down! *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:45:49 AM 154 Views
2 snaps down in a z formation! *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:58:01 PM 126 Views
Respectable Choice - 22/11/2021 01:39:37 AM 204 Views
Ugh. My main goal in life is to NOT be respectable. - 22/11/2021 02:25:52 PM 188 Views
Too bad! - 22/11/2021 02:59:24 PM 161 Views
A reasonable decision. - 22/11/2021 02:15:23 AM 266 Views
But I'm a thoroughly unreasonable person! - 22/11/2021 02:29:45 PM 175 Views
Then start acting like it! - 23/11/2021 07:00:54 PM 243 Views
Sanderson's providing some kind of running commentary... which does contain criticism. - 23/11/2021 07:59:10 PM 176 Views
Yes, I saw his comments on reddit. - 23/11/2021 09:41:33 PM 225 Views
Great read, thanks so much for posting! - 26/11/2021 05:54:06 PM 187 Views
Glad to hear it. - 26/11/2021 07:10:34 AM 222 Views
Good, those changes seem completely unnecessary and pointless. *NM* - 26/11/2021 05:43:39 PM 110 Views
I think the point to remember is, the early episodes were never going to be that great. - 22/11/2021 08:46:33 AM 208 Views
Eh, I think you give them too much slack. - 22/11/2021 02:33:04 PM 190 Views
It's possible I'll agree with that after having seen more episodes... - 22/11/2021 03:04:54 PM 189 Views
That's a big "if'. - 22/11/2021 03:31:11 PM 180 Views
*NM* - 22/11/2021 03:40:45 PM 101 Views
My work here is done! *NM* - 22/11/2021 04:01:43 PM 107 Views
Yes, it is a big 'if'. I guess I'm an optimist? - 22/11/2021 04:17:41 PM 184 Views
Agreed on - - 22/11/2021 05:27:28 PM 190 Views
Yes - neat addition, I thought, as is the map with the comments. - 22/11/2021 08:37:19 PM 175 Views
I liked the maps too! - 22/11/2021 09:36:09 PM 178 Views
Where are the extras ? :o *NM* - 23/11/2021 05:42:40 AM 100 Views
Via X-Ray --> Bonus Content *NM* - 23/11/2021 02:29:59 PM 98 Views
Hmmm I dont think I have that - 23/11/2021 08:03:52 PM 178 Views
Apparently some people need to download the Amazon Prime app to be able to see them. - 23/11/2021 08:22:31 PM 157 Views
Thanks - 24/11/2021 07:14:01 AM 189 Views
I kind of liked it - 22/11/2021 10:29:21 AM 179 Views
So, doesn't suck nearly as much as some other shows? I can accept that. *NM* - 22/11/2021 01:44:23 PM 162 Views
Re: So, doesn't suck nearly as much as some other shows? I can accept that. - 22/11/2021 02:11:57 PM 209 Views
I couldn't possibly disagree more. - 22/11/2021 03:11:32 PM 189 Views
#Justice4AbellCauthon - 22/11/2021 03:32:41 PM 181 Views
I'm kind of happy for you. - 22/11/2021 02:37:46 PM 166 Views
LOL - 22/11/2021 03:09:35 PM 157 Views
The problem with the show is - 22/11/2021 03:10:17 PM 209 Views
Well said! *NM* - 22/11/2021 03:17:18 PM 131 Views
Girl, you ain't lyin' with any of that. *NM* - 22/11/2021 03:23:42 PM 103 Views
I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 04:36:38 PM 172 Views
Re: I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 05:24:38 PM 168 Views
Re: I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 10:05:32 PM 165 Views
Just came across a related article... - 23/11/2021 06:23:31 PM 177 Views
Madden's read to book 11, apparently - 24/11/2021 02:57:46 AM 165 Views
Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 24/11/2021 08:17:24 AM 170 Views
Re: Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 26/11/2021 10:44:58 PM 173 Views
Let’s see if I got this right… - 27/11/2021 12:58:52 AM 159 Views
That about sums it up, yeah! *NM* - 27/11/2021 03:38:18 PM 88 Views
After all this time, you still can't handle the quoting system? - 27/11/2021 09:21:42 PM 145 Views
And they screwed that up so far! GOT..... - 23/11/2021 01:19:19 AM 152 Views
Yeah, what you said. - 05/12/2021 03:02:15 PM 147 Views
For my favorite well read pooch - 22/11/2021 05:03:55 PM 227 Views
I didn't make it more than 2 minutes into episode 1. - 22/11/2021 05:41:56 PM 201 Views
Wow, my paisan’ makes an appearance! Long time no talk, my friend. *NM* - 22/11/2021 06:36:54 PM 101 Views
Yeah it's been a while. - 22/11/2021 06:58:47 PM 147 Views
I don't understand this take - 22/11/2021 07:02:12 PM 190 Views
Re: I don't understand this take - 22/11/2021 07:15:42 PM 170 Views
the opening bothered me a little as well. - 22/11/2021 07:25:20 PM 187 Views
Re: the opening bothered me a little as well. - 23/11/2021 06:29:25 PM 178 Views
I'm well aware of the backstory and the different views on it. - 23/11/2021 07:11:19 PM 166 Views
Saidin and Saidar are in the show - 24/11/2021 03:00:50 AM 159 Views
According to the Dragonmount YouTube review as of the end of episode 6 it’s still just One Power *NM* - 24/11/2021 04:34:32 AM 84 Views
Episode 4 makes it pretty clear - 26/11/2021 10:40:07 PM 163 Views
Fair enough - 24/11/2021 09:02:50 AM 169 Views
I interpreted it differently - 23/11/2021 06:23:56 PM 188 Views
Re: I interpreted it differently - 23/11/2021 07:36:31 PM 153 Views
With regards to the pacing - 24/11/2021 07:29:36 AM 155 Views

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