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Yes, it is a big 'if'. I guess I'm an optimist? Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/11/2021 04:17:41 PM

View original postWhen I criticize this show for it's GOT-itization, I'm not saying I disliked the GOT show. I agree with you that it was a really good show that captured the spirit of the books, especially in the earlier seasons. WOT is not GOT, though. But the producers are trying to make WOT more like GOT in flavor, and that I do not like. The two book series had a completely different feel to them. Two series, both alike in dignity, but still not the same.

I'm not sure I agree about the GOT-itization. I do think the producers are toning down some aspects that contribute to the 'feel' as you call it of the books - the language with its own swearing words, for instance, as well as Jordan's generally more PG-13-approach to sexuality (and limited attention for LGBTQ people), or some of the endless 'X is so much better with women' talk that we all loved to roll our eyes at. But I don't think that's a question of imitating GoT, it's just a question of 'there's a limit to how much weirdness/inside jokes a mass audience can take' and a general change in social attitudes in the last thirty years.

But I didn't see them adding sex or violence for the heck of it - in episode three there's a scene which, if it had been in GoT, would most definitely have involved nudity to at least some degree, but here it remained PG-13 - and I might add, that scene is only vaguely similar to one in the books, but it's pretty decent in terms of writing and acting (and in passing establishes that gay men are far more normal in the TV series than in the books). The violence that's there is no worse or more graphic than what's in the book, even if some of it is completely stupid (the Perrin thing, plus basically all of Nynaeve's storyline in the first three episodes).

As for the characters, they're definitely making major changes, but not all in the direction of making their personalities or motivations darker. Less subtle, definitely, but that may be inevitable for a big fantasy show that doesn't have time to capture all the subtleties that Jordan did take time for - or if it did take the time, would need to cut even more of the plot than it already has. Greg talked about wanting more of a LotR feel, but the thing is, LotR has many hours to tell a much simpler plot with far fewer main characters - and even then, a lot of the good stuff ended up on the cutting floor and was only restored in the DVD versions (which I personally consider as the real movies, I'd suspect he agrees).

View original postBesides all that, I think the show (that I've seen) is just BAD, WOT or not.

Yeah, I'm hoping it'll get better. I might be wrong.
View original postOh well. I'm now reading Naomi Novik's Temeraire books, and they are delightful. Perhaps they, or a nice dick, can remove the bad flavor this adaptation has left in my mouth.

Heh. Whatever it takes, I guess.

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I am not even bothering with 2 & 3. - 21/11/2021 09:51:46 PM 898 Views
Other than that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln? *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:32:59 AM 162 Views
No stars, would not recommend. *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:57:28 PM 155 Views
I thought my link might make you laugh. Definitely two snaps down! *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:45:49 AM 223 Views
2 snaps down in a z formation! *NM* - 22/11/2021 12:58:01 PM 174 Views
Respectable Choice - 22/11/2021 01:39:37 AM 296 Views
Ugh. My main goal in life is to NOT be respectable. - 22/11/2021 02:25:52 PM 268 Views
Too bad! - 22/11/2021 02:59:24 PM 247 Views
A reasonable decision. - 22/11/2021 02:15:23 AM 392 Views
But I'm a thoroughly unreasonable person! - 22/11/2021 02:29:45 PM 264 Views
Then start acting like it! - 23/11/2021 07:00:54 PM 361 Views
Sanderson's providing some kind of running commentary... which does contain criticism. - 23/11/2021 07:59:10 PM 266 Views
Yes, I saw his comments on reddit. - 23/11/2021 09:41:33 PM 307 Views
Great read, thanks so much for posting! - 26/11/2021 05:54:06 PM 282 Views
Glad to hear it. - 26/11/2021 07:10:34 AM 338 Views
Good, those changes seem completely unnecessary and pointless. *NM* - 26/11/2021 05:43:39 PM 160 Views
I think the point to remember is, the early episodes were never going to be that great. - 22/11/2021 08:46:33 AM 290 Views
Eh, I think you give them too much slack. - 22/11/2021 02:33:04 PM 272 Views
It's possible I'll agree with that after having seen more episodes... - 22/11/2021 03:04:54 PM 274 Views
That's a big "if'. - 22/11/2021 03:31:11 PM 272 Views
*NM* - 22/11/2021 03:40:45 PM 151 Views
My work here is done! *NM* - 22/11/2021 04:01:43 PM 154 Views
Yes, it is a big 'if'. I guess I'm an optimist? - 22/11/2021 04:17:41 PM 262 Views
Agreed on - - 22/11/2021 05:27:28 PM 280 Views
Yes - neat addition, I thought, as is the map with the comments. - 22/11/2021 08:37:19 PM 257 Views
I liked the maps too! - 22/11/2021 09:36:09 PM 267 Views
Where are the extras ? :o *NM* - 23/11/2021 05:42:40 AM 150 Views
Via X-Ray --> Bonus Content *NM* - 23/11/2021 02:29:59 PM 151 Views
Hmmm I dont think I have that - 23/11/2021 08:03:52 PM 262 Views
Apparently some people need to download the Amazon Prime app to be able to see them. - 23/11/2021 08:22:31 PM 240 Views
Thanks - 24/11/2021 07:14:01 AM 278 Views
I kind of liked it - 22/11/2021 10:29:21 AM 269 Views
So, doesn't suck nearly as much as some other shows? I can accept that. *NM* - 22/11/2021 01:44:23 PM 226 Views
Re: So, doesn't suck nearly as much as some other shows? I can accept that. - 22/11/2021 02:11:57 PM 309 Views
I couldn't possibly disagree more. - 22/11/2021 03:11:32 PM 282 Views
#Justice4AbellCauthon - 22/11/2021 03:32:41 PM 294 Views
I'm kind of happy for you. - 22/11/2021 02:37:46 PM 247 Views
LOL - 22/11/2021 03:09:35 PM 256 Views
The problem with the show is - 22/11/2021 03:10:17 PM 295 Views
Well said! *NM* - 22/11/2021 03:17:18 PM 178 Views
Girl, you ain't lyin' with any of that. *NM* - 22/11/2021 03:23:42 PM 150 Views
I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 04:36:38 PM 264 Views
Re: I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 05:24:38 PM 262 Views
Re: I covered a lot of this in my reply to Joe above. - 22/11/2021 10:05:32 PM 245 Views
Just came across a related article... - 23/11/2021 06:23:31 PM 276 Views
Madden's read to book 11, apparently - 24/11/2021 02:57:46 AM 242 Views
Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 24/11/2021 08:17:24 AM 269 Views
Re: Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 26/11/2021 10:44:58 PM 256 Views
Let’s see if I got this right… - 27/11/2021 12:58:52 AM 253 Views
That about sums it up, yeah! *NM* - 27/11/2021 03:38:18 PM 137 Views
After all this time, you still can't handle the quoting system? - 27/11/2021 09:21:42 PM 224 Views
And they screwed that up so far! GOT..... - 23/11/2021 01:19:19 AM 240 Views
Yeah, what you said. - 05/12/2021 03:02:15 PM 245 Views
For my favorite well read pooch - 22/11/2021 05:03:55 PM 335 Views
I didn't make it more than 2 minutes into episode 1. - 22/11/2021 05:41:56 PM 293 Views
Wow, my paisan’ makes an appearance! Long time no talk, my friend. *NM* - 22/11/2021 06:36:54 PM 152 Views
Yeah it's been a while. - 22/11/2021 06:58:47 PM 245 Views
I don't understand this take - 22/11/2021 07:02:12 PM 301 Views
Re: I don't understand this take - 22/11/2021 07:15:42 PM 259 Views
the opening bothered me a little as well. - 22/11/2021 07:25:20 PM 268 Views
Re: the opening bothered me a little as well. - 23/11/2021 06:29:25 PM 279 Views
I'm well aware of the backstory and the different views on it. - 23/11/2021 07:11:19 PM 254 Views
Saidin and Saidar are in the show - 24/11/2021 03:00:50 AM 233 Views
According to the Dragonmount YouTube review as of the end of episode 6 it’s still just One Power *NM* - 24/11/2021 04:34:32 AM 129 Views
Episode 4 makes it pretty clear - 26/11/2021 10:40:07 PM 247 Views
Fair enough - 24/11/2021 09:02:50 AM 263 Views
I interpreted it differently - 23/11/2021 06:23:56 PM 292 Views
Re: I interpreted it differently - 23/11/2021 07:36:31 PM 253 Views
With regards to the pacing - 24/11/2021 07:29:36 AM 241 Views

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