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The Guardian's views on the show are . . .not to be trusted. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 23/11/2021 09:50:01 PM

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Quoting from the article:

"Many moons ago (well, 2017), Jeff Bezos had a prophesy that Amazon Studios would produce shows to outperform Game of Thrones, and so there’s a lot banking on The Wheel of Time – $10m an episode, in fact. But this creation is far more YA in tone than its HBO rival. The cast is largely young and clean-cut, playing “dentally sound peasants”, and morality is as central a conceit as it is in Lord of the Rings (the rights of which Amazon has also bought, for $250m). The frequent earnest exposition monologues threaten to outnumber the gruesome deaths, and future headlines in the vein of “Game of Thrones walks fine line on rape: how much more can audiences take?” seem unlikely.

As Madden says, “The darkness definitely creeps into the series as we go along further, but I don’t think there is a glorification of physical violence or sexual violence in our story, which is quite unique for the fantasy genre.”"


Of course, the same article, as well as Madden herself, suffers from the unfortunate tendency of trashing the books without ever having read any of them*, making all sorts of stupid assumptions based on some vague rumour of the books' female characters being not very well written. That's remarkably prevalent in the reviews I've come across. Or possibly they based it on the extremely vituperative review in the Guardian from some days ago, by someone who did read the books ten years ago and now skimmed through them again before trashing them.

*Not really sure how much Madden has or hasn't read - based on interviews from some months ago, I think Stradowski had read the first few books at least, but the other main cast members haven't gotten anywhere near as far.


Not certain if The Guardian is just anti Amazon/Bezos but their reviews have been the outliers in terms of criticism. Even the way they frame things - "Bezos' 'Games of Thrones' is just so ignorant and hostile.

Also Madden as Egwene is amusing to me. Though I am not at Cannoli levels of hate for Egwene, I do find later books Egwene post ACOS to be one of the most hate inducing characters of the series. I hope Madden realizes who Egwene turns into.

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A reasonable decision. - 22/11/2021 02:15:23 AM 536 Views
But I'm a thoroughly unreasonable person! - 22/11/2021 02:29:45 PM 437 Views
Then start acting like it! - 23/11/2021 07:00:54 PM 551 Views
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Yes, I saw his comments on reddit. - 23/11/2021 09:41:33 PM 477 Views
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Just came across a related article... - 23/11/2021 06:23:31 PM 461 Views
The Guardian's views on the show are . . .not to be trusted. - 23/11/2021 09:50:01 PM 420 Views
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Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 24/11/2021 08:17:24 AM 460 Views
Re: Oh has she? Must've changed her mind since the earlier interview, then... and read quickly. - 26/11/2021 10:44:58 PM 412 Views
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With regards to the pacing - 24/11/2021 07:29:36 AM 404 Views

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