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On point 3, you may be surprised to hear I largely agree with you. Legolas Send a noteboard - 01/03/2022 08:07:52 PM

View original post3. Your statements on the status of Russian in Ukraine are just not correct. First, although I despise the Ukrainian language, which does sound like hick Russian (and you know this is true), the point about Ukrainian is that it has been shoved down everyone's throat. Every Nikolai in Ukraine has been forcibly made a Mykola, every Alexander an Olexander, every Vladimir a Volodymyr, and every Ksenia an Oksana. The 2004 Revolution started the laws that pushed Russian from the public square (and even in 2014 you couldn't find a Ukrainian language newspaper or website based in Kiev; statistics to the contrary are propaganda attempting to justify the limitation on Russian). You have the February 2014 law that only permits Russian in any oblast if more than 10% of the population lists it as "native" (something the authorities manipulated regularly). In 2016, Russian language programming was curtailed significantly on television to less than 25%, and Russian language education was banned in most schools except as a foreign language class. A 2019 law fully banned Russian in any official capacity, as government workers were prohibited from using it. This is when most people continue to use Russian rather than Ukrainian, even in most major cities. The exception is in the west - Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk, Zhitomir, Vinnitsa, etc.

As a Fleming, I'm pretty sensitive to any kind of language-based discrimination or oppression and yes, what the Ukrainian government has been doing to Russian speakers absolutely qualifies. Of course, Ukrainian was oppressed in the past, but that's no excuse to do it the other way around now. Not only in Ukraine, but also in the Baltics and, hence, in the EU, Russian needs to be accepted as an official language. One of the many reasons why Putin's war is not only horrible but also massively counterproductive, is that it makes that more difficult.

In principle, if this whole new thing about Ukraine applying to the EU is going anywhere, the EU's conditions would have to include at a minimum significant concessions to the Russian-speaking population, and really just full co-official status for Russian. But the Baltics didn't do that either, and this war isn't exactly helping the cause. Hopefully, the EU leadership will realize that this is a crucial step if they want anyone to take them seriously re: the enemy not being Russia, much less Russian speakers in other countries, but Putin's regime only.

I'll limit my reply to that - on your other points, I've commented elsewhere and I doubt either of us would convince the other anyway.

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