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Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM

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If the cops won't go in to help kids in an active shooter situation, they need to get out of the way and let people who will.

If that means some dead dads in addition to who was already killed, I can almost guarantee that all of those fathers were okay with that if it gave them a chance to save their children, who were covering themselves with the blood of dead classmates in order to more convincingly play dead while the cops sat counting their dicks.


And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? by accident what then?

I kind of agree with you but we should not imagine "release" that is Cathartic and thus easy to imagine, when we are dealing with an active shooter and the fog of war. Strong emotions are in that moment of an hour of hell, and mistakes are made when strong emotions occur. Training reduces mistakes but mistakes will occur even with the best of training and the best of humans for that is how the human arousal system works.

For example one of the shooting survivors smeared blood on her face from a dead classmate to appear dead, and she found her teachers cellphone and called the police. In this moment of extreme emotions (catharsis being the process of releasing, and thereby providing relief from, strong emotions) the child who is a survivor thought 3 hours had passed when it was a third of that.

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I am distrustful of the police accounts right now for they have contradicted their stories. I hope we figure it out with video and other ways to shift through information but I seriously doubt I will be satisfied with the tick tock of what happened.

Sounds like shit happened that we are not able to comprehend. For example the police said that the police did not shoot any of the children by accident. One does not bring that up unless one is anxious and is trying to say things in defense, for that looks so bad, and one must hear themselves when they say it, that they do not realize it causes us to ask even more questions once that has been breached by the police officers themselves.

In sum this is fucked up, this hell.


I guess I would chalk that up to the fog of war and collateral damage which is still the fault of the perpetrator, but I’d really be lying if I said that your scenario really didn’t give me pause, and it would be increasingly cold comfort to me if it was my child that had been killed by someone who had possed up. Then again, what else can you do, wait outside and listen to your kids die?

I suppose my issue is the timing and the will - you can’t leave kids like that with someone who has shown he’ll murder them. Something absolutely must be done, it is totally and wholly unacceptable to have cops waiting outside while the killer finishes off victims. At a certain point drastic action should take place.

Fuck, if it was my kid I’d volunteer to go in with a hunting knife or my bare hands - or, failing that, I’ll distract him while the cops shoot him. If I die saving a bunch of kids, I think I’m okay with that. Then again it’s all academic at this point and as you rightly pointed out, much easier to say when you’re not facing that situation.

Heads should roll for this one way or the other.

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