I hate literally none of those things. But it sure makes for an easy straw man to rail against so you don't have to address the actual issues at play.

You might. I don't, despite also hating their leader the organization and how the people are treated, because I don't hate the people themselves. But I guess that kind of lumping together of all these things comes easily to you? I can state quite honestly that there's no nation on this planet that I hate, while having deep dislike or outright hatred for various aspects of those nations. An alien concept to you, it would seem.

I don't hate America, but even if I did you sure don't behave like I'm entitled to this opinion.

Go right ahead and do that. I think I'll have you beat in the depth of my belief of how things are wrong in India, and the amount of evidence I can give you to prove that.

That doesn't come from a place of hatred for India, unlike you, however. I love my land deeply. That doesn't change the reality of how fucked up it is.

My love for America is understandably less deep, but the more I live here, the more that changes. Again, however, that has no bearing on my assessment of how fucked up this place is. You seem unable to imagine that love can coexist with criticism and distaste for aspects of a nation. What you're demanding of me is blind, idolatry worship. I have that for literally nothing physical, and find the very notion sickening.

Whoever you think my ilk are, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. My literal first response to this post says, right at the top:

But sure, keep making this about the straw man of banning guns. Intellectual dishonesty and actual dishonesty are about par for the course from you and your ilk on this debate.

No thanks. I'll spend my effort pointing out the bad design of the Constitutional Amendment process instead, as that's my understanding of the issue here. If you disagree, you're welcome to defend it. You have no fucking right to demand I blindly worship the process, however. Especially without any kind of factual or logical argument in support of it, and just wild accusations of how hating the inefficiency of the Constitution is somehow equal to hating all of America. Pathetic.

Again, you seem to love to fight fantasy debates where you have easy positions to knock down. These aren't my positions, however, and I'm not going to quietly let you get away with that crap. You lie, I'll point right out that you're a liar trying to muddy the issues instead of addressing the actual problems.

Seeing what we've done wrong and how we can do better is political, dolt. You don't know what politics is, just happy to label whatever you dislike as politics.

It's a super convenient position, of course. But in literally every sphere of life and politics, if people are agitating for change and see the absence of change have horrific consequences, they have every right to point out that this is the case. But you'd rather not address any of that, want to enforce the status quo, and so anyone daring to point out that the status quo is failing our youngest and most defenseless is, of course the person who is actually evil.

I'm under no obligation to put up with that shit.

No. I just hate you for suporting the murder of kids as a price for your unrestricted, unregulated freedom. I'm sure you think you're all of America, but as I pointed out, that isn't the case. I have plenty of friends and family, colleagues and public figures I admire who, quite contrary to gutter filth like you, are pushing to change the awful state of this country. And I love them.

Then there should be no law. Let humans freely be as evil or good as they want to be, and let's see whatever becomes of our species.

If you believe that, believe it to the hilt. When you pick and choose what "freedoms" you support without limits, and decry anyone pointing out your hypocrisy as an enemy of freedom, all you're doing is attempting to use that incompetent bludgeon of an argument to take away my freedom to make my point. Unfortunately for you, I really don't give a rats ass for those kinds of hypocritical hystrionics.

Oh yes. If I don't support your right to buy whatever gun you want no matter your criminal history or mental state, no matter your intent to kill or your desire to not register or get licenced to own said firearm, I must hate freedom. The human spirit is unrestricted access to guns, but not the ability to live of 10 year olds. Fuck the hell off. What an utterly noxious excuse for a human being you are.

There's nothing inconsistent in my position. I hold fetuses pre viability aren't children, and support the right of actual humans, women, to make decisions about their bodies.

Your position, however, is that fetuses are children that must be protected at all costs, no matter what freedoms are violated. But the moment they're born, and it's freedoms you value that you perceive a threat to in an attempt to keep these children protected, suddenly it's the human spirit that's being crushed by enforcing any regulation that can save their lives.

Do you morons even hear yourself as you speak?

Your cognitive dissonance doesn't define reality. I'm sure you need to believe whatever noxious gender essentialist crap you hold to to not feel inadequate.

Also, total freedom to buy guns, but no freedom to define yourself and your identity, eh? How's your championing of the human spirit going, again?

Dude, not one of those times have you actually shown me, factually, that I'm wrong. In this case, for instance, proof that Republicans have constantly offered compromise bills that address the issue of gun violence, which Democrats dismiss because it doesn't go far enough and ban all guns, or do whatever other maximalist Boogeyman law you think they favor...that would constitute proof I'm wrong.

The exact opposite is true here, so of course rather than admit that and focus on the actual problem, you're wasting all our time with hollow, inconsistent claims to bring the champion of freedom and human spirit and flinging accusations of hating America and North Korea and not India, as if this is some kind of zero sum contest.

If they'll continue to insist on conditions that kill kids, I'm not going to give them an ounce of relief. If you want to coddle your precious Republicans, push them to stop rooting for a status quo that has this country such untenable atrocities, rather than asking me to be kind to them.

It's truly contemptuous that you think that real respect for those kids is to shut up and do nothing. What a contemptible coward. But so of a piece with standard Republican gaslighting.

And I'm tired of you dickwads trying to insist that asking for a solution as the world burns is somehow evil. So long as I make you more tired than I am, I'm content. It's not much, and it changes nothing on the ground, but if you're annoyed or exhausted in your attempts to smugly claim the moral high ground of doing nothing as children die, that brings me satisfaction.

So no. I won't fuck off. I won't shut up. If you're tired, you're welcome to not read my posts or reply to them.