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This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster Send a noteboard - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM

Lots of comments, lots of back and forth. I miss that.

Here are my personal beliefs around sensible gun laws.

When I bought my shotgun in 2002, Connecticut only required a permit for handguns. To purchase a rifle or shotgun, you had to be at least 18, fill out a state questionnaire, and then have a 5 day waiting period. Let me add that the questionnaire was idiotic. It actually asked if you were purchasing a weapon to commit a crime or to injure or kill another person. I read the question aloud and said to the gun shop owner, damn! Ya got me!

Things changed significantly after the Sandy Hook school killings. Now you must be 21 to obtain an eligibility certificate to purchase a gun. For certain hunting rifles an 18 year old can apply for the eligibility certification for long guns only. For both you must attend a state certified firearms safety course. The Commissioner of Public Safety issues the approval. This is done pending results of an FBI background check, which takes however long it takes, and requires you be fingerprinted. Upon receiving the report from the FBI, the Commissioner has to make a decision within 60 days.

In addition, the AR-15 and all the hundreds of competitor versions of the same rifle are banned from new sales. Anyone who had one before the ban was enacted had to register it with the state. Magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds for both handguns and long guns. High capacity magazines are illegal. You also need a certificate to purchase ammunition.

I freely admit when these laws were proposed in 2013, I thought they were political grandstanding. I was wrong. They serve a purpose. While they wouldn't have stopped the Sandy Hook massacre - he used his mother's gun - having to wait over two months while submitting to an FBI background check would have prevented many of the subsequent mass shootings. Also cutting capacity from 30 rounds to 10 means the shooter has to change clips more often, increasing the possibility the gun will jam.

I would go further, if it was up to me. If it were possible, I would make it very difficult for a male to buy a gun before he turns 25. There's a reason why male car insurance rates are absurdly higher than females until their 25th birthday. If 18-24 year old men are measurably more reckless when operating an automobile, why entrust them with a gun? Yes, we arm 18 year olds in the military, but they have pretty intense training and supervision.

The late conservative Justice Alito wrote that like all rights, the Second Amendment is not limitless. The chances of national laws that resemble those in Connecticut are realistically not very good. But hopefully more states will tighten their laws. Connecticut, New York and California are examples of states who's strict laws have passed Constitutional muster.














Mook

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 551 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 53 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 29 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 23 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 20 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 22 Views
Yes - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 20 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 25 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 27 Views
In such a way - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 26 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 21 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 38 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 36 Views
Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 32 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 28 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 25 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 21 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 18 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 40 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 28 Views
You just don’t get it. - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 36 Views
I think the same of you... - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 29 Views
Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 23 Views
You're like a broken record. - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 25 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 23 Views
And? - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 21 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 20 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 21 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 18 Views
whooops *NM* - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 10 Views
Oh, fuck off. - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 39 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 27 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 30 Views
*NM* - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 11 Views
It is not - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 22 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 23 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 24 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 23 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 18 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 23 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 21 Views
How would the world be different - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 32 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 28 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 29 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 21 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 24 Views
You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 25 Views
Hypocrisy - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 22 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 20 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 18 Views
You started with Foreclosure - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 18 Views
Foreclosure, huh - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 18 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 6 Views
One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 22 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 20 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 22 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 38 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 32 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 6 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 19 Views
Bah - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 22 Views
Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 14 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 39 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 24 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 28 Views
I disagree. - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 18 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 31 Views
They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 26 Views
I am glad you protect your family - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 18 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 26 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 27 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 20 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 18 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 25 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 15 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 29 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 20 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 20 Views
I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 18 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 19 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 24 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 24 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 27 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 19 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 15 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 35 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 15 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 17 Views
Interesting - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 20 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 18 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 13 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 10 Views
What about trans-men - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 31 Views
an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 32 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 18 Views
Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 19 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 19 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 18 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 17 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 18 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 16 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 18 Views
It gets darker and darker - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 9 Views

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