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This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster Send a noteboard - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM

Lots of comments, lots of back and forth. I miss that.

Here are my personal beliefs around sensible gun laws.

When I bought my shotgun in 2002, Connecticut only required a permit for handguns. To purchase a rifle or shotgun, you had to be at least 18, fill out a state questionnaire, and then have a 5 day waiting period. Let me add that the questionnaire was idiotic. It actually asked if you were purchasing a weapon to commit a crime or to injure or kill another person. I read the question aloud and said to the gun shop owner, damn! Ya got me!

Things changed significantly after the Sandy Hook school killings. Now you must be 21 to obtain an eligibility certificate to purchase a gun. For certain hunting rifles an 18 year old can apply for the eligibility certification for long guns only. For both you must attend a state certified firearms safety course. The Commissioner of Public Safety issues the approval. This is done pending results of an FBI background check, which takes however long it takes, and requires you be fingerprinted. Upon receiving the report from the FBI, the Commissioner has to make a decision within 60 days.

In addition, the AR-15 and all the hundreds of competitor versions of the same rifle are banned from new sales. Anyone who had one before the ban was enacted had to register it with the state. Magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds for both handguns and long guns. High capacity magazines are illegal. You also need a certificate to purchase ammunition.

I freely admit when these laws were proposed in 2013, I thought they were political grandstanding. I was wrong. They serve a purpose. While they wouldn't have stopped the Sandy Hook massacre - he used his mother's gun - having to wait over two months while submitting to an FBI background check would have prevented many of the subsequent mass shootings. Also cutting capacity from 30 rounds to 10 means the shooter has to change clips more often, increasing the possibility the gun will jam.

I would go further, if it was up to me. If it were possible, I would make it very difficult for a male to buy a gun before he turns 25. There's a reason why male car insurance rates are absurdly higher than females until their 25th birthday. If 18-24 year old men are measurably more reckless when operating an automobile, why entrust them with a gun? Yes, we arm 18 year olds in the military, but they have pretty intense training and supervision.

The late conservative Justice Alito wrote that like all rights, the Second Amendment is not limitless. The chances of national laws that resemble those in Connecticut are realistically not very good. But hopefully more states will tighten their laws. Connecticut, New York and California are examples of states who's strict laws have passed Constitutional muster.














Mook

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 1352 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 573 Views
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Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 574 Views
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Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 539 Views
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What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 533 Views
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Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 542 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 534 Views
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He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 510 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 515 Views
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Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 543 Views
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Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 577 Views
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He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 543 Views
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A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 523 Views
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You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 558 Views
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Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 526 Views
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One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 543 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 538 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 489 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 545 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 563 Views
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The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 502 Views
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Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 498 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 575 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 485 Views
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They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 556 Views
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I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 548 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 523 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 526 Views
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This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 564 Views
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I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 522 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 516 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 523 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 518 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 521 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 499 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 524 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 572 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 518 Views
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an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 554 Views
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Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 537 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 561 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 547 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 530 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 574 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 582 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 532 Views
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It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 253 Views

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