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This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster Send a noteboard - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM

Lots of comments, lots of back and forth. I miss that.

Here are my personal beliefs around sensible gun laws.

When I bought my shotgun in 2002, Connecticut only required a permit for handguns. To purchase a rifle or shotgun, you had to be at least 18, fill out a state questionnaire, and then have a 5 day waiting period. Let me add that the questionnaire was idiotic. It actually asked if you were purchasing a weapon to commit a crime or to injure or kill another person. I read the question aloud and said to the gun shop owner, damn! Ya got me!

Things changed significantly after the Sandy Hook school killings. Now you must be 21 to obtain an eligibility certificate to purchase a gun. For certain hunting rifles an 18 year old can apply for the eligibility certification for long guns only. For both you must attend a state certified firearms safety course. The Commissioner of Public Safety issues the approval. This is done pending results of an FBI background check, which takes however long it takes, and requires you be fingerprinted. Upon receiving the report from the FBI, the Commissioner has to make a decision within 60 days.

In addition, the AR-15 and all the hundreds of competitor versions of the same rifle are banned from new sales. Anyone who had one before the ban was enacted had to register it with the state. Magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds for both handguns and long guns. High capacity magazines are illegal. You also need a certificate to purchase ammunition.

I freely admit when these laws were proposed in 2013, I thought they were political grandstanding. I was wrong. They serve a purpose. While they wouldn't have stopped the Sandy Hook massacre - he used his mother's gun - having to wait over two months while submitting to an FBI background check would have prevented many of the subsequent mass shootings. Also cutting capacity from 30 rounds to 10 means the shooter has to change clips more often, increasing the possibility the gun will jam.

I would go further, if it was up to me. If it were possible, I would make it very difficult for a male to buy a gun before he turns 25. There's a reason why male car insurance rates are absurdly higher than females until their 25th birthday. If 18-24 year old men are measurably more reckless when operating an automobile, why entrust them with a gun? Yes, we arm 18 year olds in the military, but they have pretty intense training and supervision.

The late conservative Justice Alito wrote that like all rights, the Second Amendment is not limitless. The chances of national laws that resemble those in Connecticut are realistically not very good. But hopefully more states will tighten their laws. Connecticut, New York and California are examples of states who's strict laws have passed Constitutional muster.














Mook

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 2209 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 825 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 843 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 847 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 761 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 885 Views
Yes - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 754 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 822 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 798 Views
In such a way - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 804 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 857 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 808 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 986 Views
Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 820 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 773 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 810 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 922 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 737 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 912 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 788 Views
You just don’t get it. - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 960 Views
I think the same of you... - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 766 Views
Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 925 Views
You're like a broken record. - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 879 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 804 Views
And? - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 753 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 791 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 712 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 897 Views
whooops *NM* - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 442 Views
Oh, fuck off. - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 857 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 868 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 788 Views
*NM* - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 386 Views
It is not - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 789 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 758 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 755 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 749 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 747 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 772 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 922 Views
How would the world be different - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 803 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 988 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 760 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 907 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 770 Views
You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 887 Views
Hypocrisy - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 725 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 776 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 831 Views
You started with Foreclosure - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 794 Views
Foreclosure, huh - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 788 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 398 Views
One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 785 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 739 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 679 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 733 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 909 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 364 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 794 Views
Bah - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 832 Views
Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 676 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 859 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 804 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 762 Views
I disagree. - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 720 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 834 Views
They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 750 Views
I am glad you protect your family - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 773 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 784 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 861 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 909 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 745 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 843 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 723 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 814 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 930 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 717 Views
I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 723 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 712 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 782 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 731 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 785 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 760 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 726 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 914 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 796 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 934 Views
Interesting - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 790 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 817 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 701 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 710 Views
What about trans-men - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 842 Views
an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 757 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 796 Views
Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 746 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 764 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 855 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 814 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 997 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 880 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 714 Views
It gets darker and darker - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 847 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 419 Views

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