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Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM

View original postA Night Kill is a night kill. Sure, it's possible it was a vigilante thing, but even vigilantes are only barely on the pro-town side of things.

That's not the point at all. The point is that with four victory objectives, she was almost assuredly part of multiple factions, and you have no idea which one has the night kill.


View original postWhen you're in a crowd of unknowns, you need to take some chances. This crowd is a sea of blank faces, except one of those faces has fangs, and is dripping blood. That's more than enough for a lynch in a game of Mafia.

We're in a crowd of unknowns, but we do know something. And that one thing is that the only known murder was almost assuredly not committed by a vampire. That would seem to make vampires the least likely suspects in the game thus far.


View original postEntirely possible- which means we have a VAMPIRE ATTACKING US. How do you not see that as a bad thing?

Because I am concerned with scum factions and night kills, not your mild discomfort. There is no evidence for the vampires being related to either of those.


View original postWhether it works or not is immaterial. I said that the existence of the garlic soap means that there is the possibility of being attacked by undead. You just agreed that it was likely I was attacked by the undead last night.

Or it means that Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler believes that this game is filled with gullible saps willing to pay hard-earned Morale points for completely unproven merchandise that caters to their own fears and biases.

Incidentally, all I said was that it was possible that you were targeted by a vampire last Night. I do not know that you were, and in the context of a mafia game I would certainly not say that you were attacked. You will recall that in the previous game I was referencing, that "attacking vampire" was a townie and critical to the town's eventual victory.


View original postHere's what it boils down to. We agree that there is a strong possibility of the existence of undead that can attack other players. We know of a player who is undead. Why should we not lynch her? What better candidate is there?

Or would you like us to no-lynch, again?


I'm still fine with lynching ranagrande. His flip-flopping actually strongly suggests anti-town play from his actions, not dubious lore extrapolations.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2134 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1446 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 936 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 868 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1399 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1360 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1516 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1280 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1299 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1366 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1478 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1376 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1391 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1237 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1288 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1324 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1296 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1427 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1360 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1301 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1285 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1451 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1459 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1470 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1322 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1219 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1358 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1269 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1370 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1451 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1390 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 848 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1366 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 894 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1286 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 832 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1443 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1314 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 781 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 922 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1458 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1320 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1431 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1347 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 789 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1664 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1352 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1328 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1396 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1396 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 770 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1439 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1334 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1261 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1401 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1363 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1458 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1391 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1310 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1302 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1405 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1488 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1378 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1430 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1335 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1192 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1275 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1427 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1308 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1414 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1348 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1469 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1606 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1316 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1672 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1456 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1317 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1369 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1377 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1480 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1561 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1423 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1617 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1369 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1435 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1258 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1736 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1266 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 912 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 965 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1461 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1431 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1371 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1753 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1816 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1455 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1354 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 814 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1367 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1815 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1746 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1408 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1478 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1235 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1000 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1326 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1427 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1476 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1347 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1762 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1456 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1018 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 792 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1054 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 747 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1707 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1392 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1720 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1333 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1658 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1467 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1040 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1394 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1058 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 939 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 943 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 778 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 950 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1342 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1230 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1755 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1300 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1663 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 797 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1375 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1723 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1342 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1328 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1626 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 844 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1675 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1747 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1867 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 843 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 943 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1713 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 780 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 927 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 792 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1829 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1763 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 842 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1003 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 968 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1727 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1875 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1814 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1028 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1079 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2197 Views
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