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This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM

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Though this changes nothing for me and confirms what I've been saying all along: the lack of kills plays favorably for Town. The revelation of your victory condition pretty much says it all, and makes those that were desperately looking for a kill after consecutive no-lynches, and no NKs (Artsapat, beetnemesis, even ranagrande to an extent, who claimed survivor) extremely scummy.

Are your victory conditions the same as those from the Watch? You already said you were not part of the Watch. So far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that. Unless your objectives are the same as those from the Watch. But how could that be, if you're not in the Watch?


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The one who has been pushing strongest for a kill is beetnemesis, followed by Artsapat. I suspected them after the end of yesterDay, when the pressure started mounting against Taiga for no good reason. Artsapat started it off with a random accusation that wasn't even worth a vote, but it was beet who seemed to take it a step further and make it seem like the only options were to lynch Taiga or rana (after he saw that lynching Yuna was impossible)... although when I prodded him why, he couldn't even give any reasons why they should be lynched.

I admit (and have already done so), that I do have to eliminate players that are a threat. The whole discussion between FT and beet focuses on Vigs and SKs, for which one if pro-Town and the other anti-Town. Just like that, having to Lynch people is not anti-Town. It's how Mafia is played. It may be Anti-YourFaction, but in that case: tough.

(BTW, now that I think about it: if there is no such thing as a "Town"-faction, there is no real use for a Vig is there? It has to be SK.)


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One of my abilities is similar to your faction ability (hard roleblock).. I targeted Artsapat Night 2 to block him, but I don't know why the Watch was brought in as I've got no affiliation with them. Possibly a mod mix-up since the abilities are similar? Dunno.

Did you get confirmation from the Mod on this? He might tell, or might RAFO you.
And why did you target me that night? Anybody else was targeted in other nights?

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2101 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1413 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 923 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 856 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1373 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1328 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1476 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1249 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1263 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1338 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1453 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1340 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1357 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1204 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1255 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1294 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1266 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1399 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1328 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1272 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1253 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1423 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1427 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1441 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1288 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1185 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1332 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1236 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1339 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1414 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1355 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 838 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1346 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 880 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1257 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 819 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1416 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1279 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 763 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 910 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1430 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1288 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1403 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1314 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 779 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1634 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1319 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1289 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1371 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1355 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 760 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1402 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1299 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1227 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1378 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1338 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1421 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1362 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1278 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1273 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1367 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1453 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1341 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1393 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1305 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1161 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1244 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1387 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1268 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1381 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1320 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1427 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1575 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1272 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1639 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1413 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1288 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1332 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1343 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1447 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1526 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1393 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1575 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1335 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1392 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1222 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1707 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1224 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 902 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 941 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1433 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1398 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1341 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1718 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1784 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1427 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1323 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 800 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1334 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1780 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1708 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1378 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1447 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1203 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 981 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1291 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1394 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1446 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1326 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1736 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1424 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1004 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 779 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1041 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 731 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1664 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1359 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1686 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1306 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1636 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1431 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1024 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1361 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1043 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 926 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 927 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 763 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 939 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1304 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1195 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1732 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1275 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1635 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 779 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1342 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1689 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1312 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1301 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1588 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 831 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1639 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1718 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1841 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 829 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 931 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1675 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 769 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 913 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 779 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1794 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1726 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 828 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 985 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 955 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1692 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1835 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1786 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1010 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1062 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2172 Views
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