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Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM

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View original postSo far I've seen more indications of faction winning conditions. "The Town" is not a true faction. Although the Watch is pro-Town, if the Watch wins, I think the rest of the Town may lose - and I don't think you want that.

Well, I can't find anything that explicitly refutes this, but it would be pretty odd for everyone else to lose because we managed to prevent Night Kills. It's not like that would directly impede everyone else, unless everyone else is part of a scum faction. Which seems a bit unlikely given the lack of Night Kills thus far.


If there is a scum faction, and not just factions, the non-scum will only win when the threat has been eliminated, isn't it? No NK for a few nights still means that the scum is there, so the town can't win. That means that the scum has to be eliminated, for anyone other than the Watch to win. In that I agree with beet.

So I come back to this, Praz: what is your alignment? Your arguments don't hold up unless you're part of the Watch (which is a direct lie from your earlier statement) or your victory conditions are EXACTLY the same as those of the Watch. And that, I find hard to believe.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1878 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1200 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 824 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 722 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1187 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1133 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1297 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1054 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1088 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1148 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1255 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1145 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1184 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1010 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1067 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1128 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1089 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1174 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1148 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1111 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1085 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1203 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1254 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1259 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1105 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1014 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1153 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1022 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1154 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1220 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1161 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 732 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1160 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 762 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1069 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 710 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1209 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1095 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 680 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 802 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1219 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1106 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1213 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1087 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 679 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1389 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1137 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1108 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1191 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1180 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 672 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1207 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1081 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1049 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1215 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1151 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1194 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1160 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1074 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1100 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1171 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1279 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1104 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1216 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1122 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 994 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1047 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1181 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1069 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1218 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1148 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1176 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1355 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1094 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1466 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1214 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1099 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1123 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1153 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1256 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1348 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1197 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1373 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1135 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1205 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1036 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1519 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1049 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 809 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 837 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1228 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1214 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1147 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1516 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1601 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1192 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1135 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 702 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1136 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1563 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1523 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1209 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1278 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1033 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 899 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1120 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1203 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1276 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1146 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1533 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1211 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 905 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 685 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 944 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 655 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1443 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1172 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1495 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1094 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1455 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1233 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 925 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1185 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 942 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 820 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 816 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 685 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 851 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1085 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1012 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1558 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1088 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1446 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 686 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1144 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1489 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1145 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1087 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1413 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 741 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1429 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1537 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1653 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 736 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 837 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1494 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 691 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 796 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 710 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1607 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1520 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 734 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 884 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 874 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1511 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1627 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1573 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 912 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 962 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1965 Views
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