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Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM

View original postIf there is a scum faction, and not just factions, the non-scum will only win when the threat has been eliminated, isn't it? No NK for a few nights still means that the scum is there, so the town can't win. That means that the scum has to be eliminated, for anyone other than the Watch to win. In that I agree with beet.

My victory condition, like FT's, doesn't require me to eliminate anyone. I think a lack of deaths sounds like a state of Peace, which ultimately is what town wants to achieve against scum.
View original postSo I come back to this, Praz: what is your alignment? Your arguments don't hold up unless you're part of the Watch (which is a direct lie from your earlier statement) or your victory conditions are EXACTLY the same as those of the Watch. And that, I find hard to believe.

Like I've said in my other post, I don't see why my victory conditions have to be incompatible with FT's, just because I'm not in the Watch. Supporting no night kills seems like a no-brainer. Is there something in this game mechanic that makes you think we need to kill people at night to win? That sounds like a very mafia-esque victory mechanic to me.

And since you find it "hard to believe" that I can win when there are no deaths at night, the more interesting question is why you can't win without killing at night.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2187 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1498 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 979 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 920 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1458 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1426 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1579 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1333 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1358 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1432 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1532 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1443 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1453 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1293 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1344 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1384 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1351 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1482 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1422 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1364 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1341 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1507 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1542 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1531 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1373 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1273 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1412 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1331 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1428 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1508 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1456 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 886 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1422 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 923 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1339 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 866 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1504 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1361 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 812 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 951 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1522 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1378 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1485 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1402 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 819 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1722 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1408 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1391 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1456 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1456 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 797 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1496 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1392 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1323 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1465 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1419 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1518 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1456 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1370 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1349 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1473 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1546 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1432 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1480 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1386 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1249 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1339 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1496 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1369 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1472 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1406 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1530 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1666 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1365 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1739 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1508 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1377 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1438 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1441 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1539 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1624 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1478 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1679 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1430 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1496 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1326 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1802 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1324 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 941 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 1028 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1523 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1497 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1421 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1815 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1879 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1514 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1419 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 842 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1411 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1883 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1814 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1466 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1531 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1294 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1037 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1388 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1485 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1538 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1413 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1828 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1530 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1048 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 827 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1095 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 793 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1768 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1461 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1772 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1407 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1723 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1513 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1075 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1446 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1089 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 971 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 972 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 802 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 986 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1435 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1283 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1818 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1384 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1722 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 837 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1433 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1791 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1394 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1388 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1692 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 877 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1745 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1826 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1933 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 872 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 977 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1774 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 820 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 959 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 816 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1897 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1823 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 873 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1037 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 999 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1790 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1938 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1865 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1058 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1113 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2267 Views
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