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Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM

View original postIf there is a scum faction, and not just factions, the non-scum will only win when the threat has been eliminated, isn't it? No NK for a few nights still means that the scum is there, so the town can't win. That means that the scum has to be eliminated, for anyone other than the Watch to win. In that I agree with beet.

My victory condition, like FT's, doesn't require me to eliminate anyone. I think a lack of deaths sounds like a state of Peace, which ultimately is what town wants to achieve against scum.
View original postSo I come back to this, Praz: what is your alignment? Your arguments don't hold up unless you're part of the Watch (which is a direct lie from your earlier statement) or your victory conditions are EXACTLY the same as those of the Watch. And that, I find hard to believe.

Like I've said in my other post, I don't see why my victory conditions have to be incompatible with FT's, just because I'm not in the Watch. Supporting no night kills seems like a no-brainer. Is there something in this game mechanic that makes you think we need to kill people at night to win? That sounds like a very mafia-esque victory mechanic to me.

And since you find it "hard to believe" that I can win when there are no deaths at night, the more interesting question is why you can't win without killing at night.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2264 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1579 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 1023 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 966 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1546 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1502 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1653 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1414 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1436 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1508 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1616 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1539 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1529 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1371 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1419 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1475 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1441 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1565 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1500 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1450 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1420 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1582 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1659 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1610 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1448 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1351 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1528 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1401 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1505 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1588 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1574 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 930 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1522 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 970 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1410 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 935 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1575 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1461 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 855 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 1012 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1627 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1458 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1564 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1482 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 864 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1805 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1471 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1467 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1534 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1537 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 840 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1581 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1462 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1396 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1542 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1508 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1591 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1545 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1446 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1429 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1547 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1617 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1536 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1555 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1468 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1324 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1410 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1572 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1449 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1547 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1488 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1600 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1756 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1440 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1820 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1587 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1476 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1541 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1515 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1634 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1708 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1549 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1764 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1512 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1572 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1398 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1889 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1409 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 988 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 1091 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1632 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1575 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1498 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1899 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1953 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1607 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1494 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 888 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1505 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1963 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1905 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1543 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1629 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1361 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1080 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1467 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1562 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1623 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1499 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1909 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1612 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1095 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 873 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1139 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 834 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1844 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1580 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1856 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1489 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1808 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1589 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1120 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1523 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1168 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 1019 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 1032 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 853 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 1034 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1513 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1365 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1897 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1476 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1811 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 881 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1512 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1877 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1468 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1474 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1771 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 931 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1853 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1910 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 2017 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 918 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 1020 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1864 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 877 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 1006 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 861 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1973 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1897 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 916 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1088 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 1043 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1885 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 2026 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1970 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1103 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1189 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2348 Views
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