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And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM

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Praziquantel's claim doesn't really make sense. You're willing to let it slide because it makes him unlikely to be a Hippo, but I have seen no real evidence for your Hippos as scum theory.

We now know that the Hippos are an actual, in-game faction.

The Hippos are literally defined by being xenophobes.

The Hippos have been responsible for regular fluff-related deaths.

The Hippos are the only ones with any excuse to commit the only actual in-game Night Kill.

You cannot see any evidence for the Hippos being scum? I cannot accept that as being possible, therefore that can only be a lie.

Hell, even Artsapat, the person I am trying to lynch for being to favourably inclined towards the Hippos admits that the Hippos are the most likely scum. Quoted below:


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The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on [...]

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, [...]


Even in previous Days, his argument was mostly, "yes, the Hippos look like the most obvious scum faction, but we don't know if they even exist in the game, whereas we actually know of two Vampires, so we should go after them first". Which we now have, and the result is confirmation of the existence of the Hippo faction.

You think Praziquantel's claim doesn't make sense? So what?
You thought my claim that I didn't need to kill anybody and yet was categorically pro-town didn't make sense, and yet here we are, and look at how wrong you were.
You thought this game couldn't possibly contain multiple roles that didn't require people's death, despite your own (alleged) role being one such, and yet since the Watch is a multiple-character faction, obviously you were once again completely wrong.
Your doubts regarding Praziquantel are the most convincing argument for his innocence I have ever heard.

Because I doubt you're simply having a long, unfortunate sequence of terrible judgment calls and mistakes. It's far more likely that you're scum and are making calls that are actually beneficial to you and your team. And don't think I've forgotten about the scummy behaviour that lead me to try to get you lynched previously either.

You know what? You're actually a much better lynching candidate than Artsapat. Because even if I'm wrong, even if your claim is actually true, then by your own account, the town has absolutely nothing to lose by lynching you. You claimed as survivor, meaning you don't actually count as a townie for the purposes of the town vs. scum conflict. You claimed an Ankh-Morpork native, which means that the xenophobic Hippo faction we factually know to exist will not be gaining any morale points from your death. It's a win-win situation: either I am correct and your death gives us the first real town victory this game, or else I am wrong, you were telling the truth, you are not a Hippo, and nothing of value is lost. An unaligned roleblocker? You can't get much easier as a lynching target than that, and that assumes your best-case scenario.

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Vote: ranagrande

And you know what? I'm going to give you a chance. You say you would rather try to find a scummer than try to find a Hippo. You have voted for Praziquantel, meaning that he is "the scummer" you believe you have found.

You also do not believe that a faction known to exist in the game that is defined by xenophobia, is directly related to constant violence, destruction and death in the fluff, and the only group to which we can ascribe a motive for the Night Kill of Stephen, the only Night Kill to have occurred during the game, is sufficient evidence to suspect that faction of being scum.

Very well. We do not know what is sufficient evidence to pass the Ranagrande Standard, but we have a good reference point for what isn't. We will therefore use that as a minimum. You think Praziquyantel is scum, therefore he has clearly passed the Ranagrande Standard. Please enlighten us.

Being a faction absolutely known to be in the game is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum>/b>. Prove absolutely the existence of the scum faction to which you believe Praziquantel belongs.

Being a faction entirely built on the motive for scum actions which is repeatedly involved in the game's narrative is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Demonstrate how Praziquantel's scum faction revolves around aggression to other players and point out their numerous appearances in the fluff.

Having a motive to kill Stephen is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Explain Praziquantel's scum faction's motive to Night Kill Stephen.

Remember that these are all, of course, absolute minimums. The Hippos have passed all those tests, and even considering them as likely scum is unthinkable to you, so obviously I am going to expect a lot more from you.

Live up to your standards or die trying, obvscum.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2101 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1413 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 923 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 856 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1373 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1328 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1476 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1249 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1263 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1339 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1453 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1341 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1357 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1204 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1256 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1294 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1266 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1399 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1329 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1272 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1253 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1423 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1427 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1441 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1288 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1332 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1237 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1339 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1414 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1355 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 838 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1346 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 880 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1257 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1416 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1279 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 763 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 910 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1430 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1288 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1403 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1314 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 779 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1634 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1319 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1290 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 761 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1402 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1299 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1227 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1378 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1338 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1421 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1362 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1279 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1273 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1368 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1453 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1341 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1393 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1161 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1387 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1268 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1381 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1320 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1428 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1575 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1639 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1413 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1288 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1332 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1343 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1447 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1526 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1394 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1575 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1335 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1392 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1222 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1707 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1224 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 902 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 942 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1433 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1398 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1341 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1718 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1784 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1428 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1324 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1334 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1781 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1378 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1448 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1203 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 981 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1291 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1394 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1446 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1326 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1736 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1425 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1004 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 779 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1665 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1306 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1636 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1431 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1024 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1361 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1043 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 926 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 927 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 763 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 939 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1304 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1195 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1732 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1275 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1636 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 779 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1342 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1689 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1312 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1301 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1588 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 831 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1639 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1718 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1675 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 769 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 913 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 779 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1794 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1727 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 828 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 985 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 956 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1692 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1835 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1786 Views

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