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Re: Yawn... beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM
WIFOM stuff


I can agree with that, and you're right in that WIFOM can make you blind to other options. So, I'll just say that, barring random chance (which is of course possible), Napoleon's most obvious reason for being lynched is his suspicion of you. It's the only thing (that I can see right now) that could have set him apart. And while it's NOT an accusation of you, Issac, it's reasonable to at least mention it.

However, it doesn't really seem to get us anywhere, so I'll put it aside for now


I would tend to assume you raised it because people usually look less suspicious, or believe they do, when they raise an accusation against themselves as opposed to someone else doing it. Even if you're town, that's a pretty logical thing to do. One of the first rules of debate is to blunt an argument by raising it yourself first, and I doubt you do not know this.


See, I think you're falling into your own WIFOM trap here. In this case, you're assuming that my subject line about my "heroic failure" was part of a strategy, whether pro or anti-town. In reality, it was just a joke with some fascetious (god, I hate spelling that word...) humor in it that I made at 1am.



Raising it was an accusation, like I said, this is a subtle game and we all know that trick, doesn't mean you necessarily were using it, or that you had nefarious anti-town motives if you were, but both read as accusations to me, and I doubt many will disagree.


Fair enough.

Although I will say that your WIFOM point is well taken- a 50/50 chance IS usually better than a random lynch. It didn't apply to FT (in my opinion) because I was pegging him at maybe 5% chance at best of being a DF, but it does apply to you

See, that's an accusation


Well, yes- after you jumped on my post, I became a bit more suspicious of you.



No, I was the driving force behind pointing out the various flaws and advantages of the situation, the lynch proceeded from that. I repeat, FT was doing everything in his power to make it look like I was nailing him to a cross, up to and including pushing back on my points so I had to defend and clarify them in depth, which made it look like I was on a major offensive. Trust me, he knew what he was doing, an accusation is only as credible as the person prosecuting it, he wanted it to be attached to me, fresh from a game as a DF. Not hard either, as he knows I will present lengthy arguments for and against pretty much everything. Townie or not, that was his motive.



Well, someone who discussed the situation, pointed out the various flaws and advantages of the lynch, and came up on "lynch," is pretty much the definition of a supporter. And on a message board, where words and posts are pretty much all you have, "lengthy arguments" make you seem like a Major Supporter.

I'm not saying it was all a nefarious plot by you- obviously other people voted, and posted. I'm just saying that you probably posted the most words by far on the issue, and 95% of them were pro-lynching FT. Even if it's just by default, that pretty much leaves you as a Major Supporter.

Still, it was only a Day One lynch. That's why I'm trying not to turn it into an accusation- no matter how many words you wrote, you were still working off the same dearth of information as the rest of us.


tl;dr

I make jokes when I'm sleepy.

Napoleon's death may or may not have been influence by his stance on Issac, but since there's no way to tell, it doesn't matter.

Issac was a driving force behind F-T's lynch, even if he didn't intend to be. This doesn't mean he's anti-town.
I amuse myself.
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We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1647 Views
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Yawn... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1768 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1708 Views
Re: Yawn... Darth_Katie - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1659 Views
Re: Yawn... ranagrande - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1586 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1804 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1564 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1460 Views
Always happy to answer your questions beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1525 Views
Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1594 Views
Re: Yawn... beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1689 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1555 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1626 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. Isaac - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1521 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1533 Views
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I'm in second? Woo! Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1574 Views
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I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1607 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you Isaac - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1575 Views
Game 1 I remember. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1452 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. Isaac - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1828 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1792 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1622 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1517 Views
Actually... Gher - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1662 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1776 Views
That was my point actually. Gher - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1663 Views
Those were the good old days. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1623 Views
random thoughts ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1569 Views
I wasn't in that game. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1530 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1861 Views
Argh... quote please Isaac - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1630 Views
Haha, fair enough beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1439 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself ranagrande - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1697 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1632 Views
Back White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1653 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1435 Views
Re: Hieshyn ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1729 Views
Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM 1500 Views
That's giving up awfully early. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1497 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! ranagrande - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1662 Views
Well this was unexpected. Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1534 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1554 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1464 Views
I don't think so Isaac - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1604 Views
I assumed Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1536 Views
Re: I assumed Isaac - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1664 Views
In a way Isaac is right Hieshyn - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1612 Views
If he was the SK Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1682 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1545 Views
9 *NM* Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 974 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1529 Views
Oh that's right! Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1526 Views
We just took that game over. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1604 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1484 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1625 Views
Lol irony Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1577 Views
what I thought was pretty funny fistofpainx - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1597 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 948 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1575 Views
That was a fun one. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1627 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1673 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* fistofpainx - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 996 Views
Eh... not good enough beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1588 Views
Holiday weekend Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1546 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1698 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1778 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1626 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1687 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1610 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched Isaac - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1641 Views
Oh, I know it can. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1653 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. Isaac - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1719 Views
Since when are you against traps? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1532 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly Isaac - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1598 Views
It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 1693 Views
I'm glad it did too. ranagrande - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1625 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot Gher - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1653 Views
I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long. Bergioyn - 16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM 1560 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* Darth_Katie - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 967 Views
Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM 1604 Views
So, where are we at? Isaac - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1629 Views
Re: So, where are we at? Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1664 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1679 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1712 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself Isaac - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1588 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1498 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1534 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question Isaac - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1562 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1771 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1541 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1755 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1508 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it Isaac - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1561 Views
A few thoughts ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1543 Views
Alright then. Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 1329 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1703 Views
Haha, I'm sorry beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1521 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1694 Views
Naive? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1659 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1661 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1404 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1506 Views
Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM 1509 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1543 Views
Re: EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1492 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1488 Views
Speaking of that game Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1571 Views
Re: Speaking of that game Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1529 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1556 Views
Hey. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1604 Views
Re: Hey. White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1641 Views
Re: Hey. ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1562 Views
Re: Hey. Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1716 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1479 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1691 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 944 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 925 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 914 Views
Fair enough *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 895 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1580 Views
I think that fistofpainx - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1618 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1570 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1540 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1467 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1616 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. Darth_Katie - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1501 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1591 Views
About voting ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1607 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1635 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Gher - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1654 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1634 Views
I agree ranagrande - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1442 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1529 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1563 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 917 Views
After seeing this thread.... Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1476 Views
Go ahead and start one then. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1607 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. Isaac - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1697 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1691 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1735 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1510 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1598 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 995 Views
Fox and Ranagrande Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1725 Views
Some comments... Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1643 Views
Alright. Gher - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1626 Views
Thanks Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1498 Views
Re: Thanks Isaac - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1476 Views
Ranagrande *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 903 Views
Really? beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1609 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 969 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 978 Views
Re: Thanks beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1577 Views
I do have a question Isaac - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1666 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1641 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1555 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1618 Views
Not sure I follow Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1631 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1652 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1758 Views
I think I do ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1522 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1543 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 910 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1730 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1792 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1612 Views
I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM 1545 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1579 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 Bergioyn - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1620 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1639 Views
That sounds about right to me. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1632 Views
I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM* Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM 845 Views
(My two cents) beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1635 Views
Dude. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1649 Views
Re: Dude. beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1593 Views
Thanks. Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1675 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1650 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1671 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1717 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande Isaac - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1787 Views
Fair enough beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1742 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1604 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1566 Views
Numbers? beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1737 Views
Re: Numbers? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1740 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1529 Views
Maybe I missed it.... Kronin al'Sulc - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1704 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1549 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1549 Views
I will destroy the world beetnemesis - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1679 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 811 Views
Ok, that's totally different... beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1547 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1691 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 828 Views
Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM 922 Views
No, this is my view: beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1670 Views
And my view was: Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1550 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1605 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1547 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1586 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Hieshyn - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 918 Views
Can I ask why? Fox and Ravens - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1573 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* ranagrande - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 921 Views
Ditto. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 919 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected Isaac - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1662 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 941 Views
Eh? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 900 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1575 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn Isaac - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1734 Views
You're right, Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1722 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 852 Views
I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM 947 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! ranagrande - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1635 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1636 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap Fox and Ravens - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1660 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1669 Views
RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM* Hobo - 27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM 922 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1714 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1596 Views
Could be Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1567 Views
Re: Could be Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1668 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1557 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here Isaac - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1649 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1499 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1618 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1506 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 941 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1653 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1791 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1554 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it Isaac - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1609 Views
Oh, right. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1499 Views
Vote: ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1564 Views
Hmmm White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1469 Views
Re: Hmmm beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1563 Views
What, if anything, has changed? Isaac - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1563 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 882 Views
A little joke Isaac - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 2343 Views
Haha nice. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1741 Views
Re: Haha nice. Isaac - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 2303 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1558 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 909 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1588 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? Isaac - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1557 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1696 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1510 Views
fair enough White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1492 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1522 Views
Vote: beetnemesis White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1624 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1532 Views
"Jumpy?" beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1525 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1625 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1624 Views
What a rebel beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1552 Views
me and beet ranagrande - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1649 Views
my stance on voting fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1657 Views
Re: my stance on voting White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1696 Views
well the reason my not posting as much fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1596 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1473 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? Hieshyn - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1707 Views
LOL *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 876 Views
RBIRL until thursday. Bergioyn - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1510 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds Fox and Ravens - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1574 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 922 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* Isaac - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 997 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? Gher - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1539 Views
Please Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1606 Views
beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1715 Views
Re: Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1590 Views
Did you unvote? Gher - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1615 Views
I always forget that! Fox and Ravens - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1521 Views
I'm sorry. Darth_Katie - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1590 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1530 Views
Its Hammer Time! Hieshyn - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1596 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1506 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1439 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1510 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1520 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1494 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced Isaac - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1468 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1556 Views
Well you figured very wrong Isaac - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1709 Views
All right, let's look at this Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1651 Views
This is a very interesting development ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1689 Views
Ditto. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1785 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1446 Views
Gosh. beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1556 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1680 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1557 Views
Now we are down to Fist White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1494 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1576 Views
You brought this upon yourself. Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1532 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1623 Views
Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1650 Views
I'm back. Hobo - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1659 Views
I'll give it a shot beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1677 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1742 Views
No. *NM* Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 946 Views
No *NM* ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 947 Views
Nope. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 863 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 891 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 830 Views
No *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 950 Views
No *NM* Hieshyn - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 900 Views
No, sir *NM* Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 998 Views
Nope. *NM* Hobo - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 885 Views
No. *NM* Bergioyn - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 909 Views
no *NM* fistofpainx - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 913 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay Isaac - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1457 Views
To the roleblocker: beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1632 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* Isaac - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 914 Views
I think that's everyone. Darth_Katie - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1462 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1766 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1702 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1512 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. Hobo - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1547 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1594 Views
Not a bad idea Isaac - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1654 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched Gher - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1633 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 919 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 827 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* Hieshyn - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 981 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1671 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven ranagrande - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1673 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves beetnemesis - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1713 Views
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