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A few thoughts ranagrande Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM
He seems to be as good a candidate as any right now, and the day's discussion does seem to be winding down. I'm not going to vote just yet, as I'd like to see how he responds, but I likely will if nothing else comes up.

My first take on this (I have not yet read your comments other than a skim to see you'd made them) is that this translates as:

Townie: He's as good a candidate as any other, apparently better form what you said, I'm not ready to vote for him yet... since you emphasized you were trying to get him to talk, my saying I'm willing to vote for him as is can only furhter encourage him.

DF: He's as good a candidate as any other, apparently better form what you said, I'm not ready to vote for him yet... but if the case get's stronger, he'd make a good frame-up.

Thoughts: Comments are insufficiently long to determine specific intent, originate from a player with no established MO, and do not seem particular out of the ordinary. However, base don your own aggressive approach on it, and your comment that "While I'm not entirely suspicious of him, I really want him talking. If he doesn't talk, we might as well lynch him anyway if we end up with no one else to vote for." could easily be seen as an outright request for support, or easily be viewed by a sympathetic townie as reason to join you in taking a firm stance to get Hieshyn talking.

First thing's first. This post is my main argument here. Obviously, my point is that he jumped on it pretty strong. THere was admittedly no evidence other than lack of talking. I scrounged up what I could and put some sauce on it and that was my post of Hieshyn. Then, immediately, probably thinking he could get a quick lynch because of the inactivity (of the game and Hieshyn), he jumped right on and said he would vote for him without giving any explanation.

Well, his response is stronger than player-average, but not out of the ordinary, I've seen parallel levels of aggression from townies and DFs, no real pattern to it, I'd go so far as to say townies do this more often then DFs, of course they make up the majority of the players so it's not exactly contradictory evidence. But yes, I definetly see what is being regarded as suspicious there, but I'm inclined to think he was just engaging in active, threatening support to get Hieshyn talking than really trying to say, against all common sense, that he was fine with randomly lynching someone. DF's do make mistakes like that but I can see a pretty straight forward Occam's Razor on this one.
Yeah, I mainly just wanted to see where it would go. And I have not been displeased with the results; the game is certainly more active now than it was before that conversation.

Another:

This on the other hand... We can't allow ourselves to be so focused on a single target that broadening our horizons should elicit such a negative response, and especially not on Day 1.

More accusations will make the game more active and create more conversation. More conversation will create more opportunity for darkfriends to trip themselves up. Even if we don't recognize it now, that could be invaluable later on.

Also, it's not like the case against F-T will disappear just because someone named a new suspect. I said earlier that my initial response to the Miller roleclaim was to believe him, and I still do for the most part, but I would welcome any evidence or conjecture to the contrary. Again, it is more activity and more conversation, which can only help us.

And now I have to say, if I wasn't suspicious of you before, I am now.

The suspicious part is his last statement here. It was in reference to Kronin saying that he'll be focusing on beet for trying to change our targets if FT turns out to be bad. Why are you so suspicious of Kronin for saying that he'll be focusing on beet? Honestly, to me, it just looks like your trying to make us leery of Kronin because he could be a threat to you. You may have your own interpretation but this is what it says to me.

That one seems pretty clear, beet was raising other targets, and Kronin (as the other target) told beet that he'd be gunning for him next if FT turned out guilty. Ranagrande is telling Kronin why he think it's important to explore other options and maximize debate, and that Kronin's threat to beet, which gives the appearance of trying to shut down alternate debate, makes ranagrande suspicious of him. In context, it is actually a fairly pro-town comment. Now, I agree with Kronin's sentiment, obviously if FT had turned out guilty we'd have strung beet up, but it's very clear from the context that ranagrande was accusing KRonin of being suspicious because his message could easily be taken as an attempt to shut down attempts to find alternate targets. Beet was the only one really doing much on that score, at that point I'd already said I would not, as I was angry over the respons eI'd gotten from exploring FT's case, and no one was really raising anything else. No, this comment really is more of minor point in ranagrande's favor than against.
This. Kronin even admitted in his response to me that it had been a stupid thing to say.

As Katie said, Blaine has yet to post in this game. I'd say we could wait a bit and see if we get a modkill, but Gher has stated that all players are accounted for so he must have messaged him or something.

There's sounds like nothing more than usual player agitation about inactivity, which I could see your viewing as suspicious when the impression was that ranagrande himself was pretty inactive, and their for might be flavoring your thoughts, but as this was not the case...

Now, this comment actually predates FT's RC, and follows MPD discussions, and is in reply to a long post by me in which I was discussing ways to avoid tampering by the DFs while narrowing odds if we were forced to use a random lynch. I was asking people for ways to narrow down random selectees, suggesting we do our nominal potluck out of inactives is hardly surprising.

Same deal here. So Blaine hasn't posted yet and you're suspicious of him?? I mean, maybe if you were frustrated or dissapointed or just straight up ready to lynch, but suspicious? I don't see why you have cause for that.

I would say I consider finding a total inactive suspicious for that reason isn't exactly the best logic, but it's also not bad either. Context being important, this comment seemed totally in place as a reply to my own comments, of course, I was getting ready to suggest we pick our 'pool of three or four' as players who posted least, as punshiment for inactivity and/or encouragement to talk more, so I viewed Blaine's comments as a handy thing that saved me having to openly say it. Now, ironically this makes his comment in reply to your Hieshyn vote more likely to have been of the 'firm support of the threat to lynch if Hieshyn doesn't speak up' scenario. Regardless of his alignment, both comments seem to indicate that ranagrande is of the 'threaten to kill people if they don't participate more' mindset (which I share, perhaps why it is easy for me to regard his comments that way) and as we've seen, his posting numbers indicate this statement is not out of place or hypocritical.
I am indeed a member of that school of thought, for two reasons. First of all, as we've all seen, voting stimulates conversation and being voted for is a great catalyst for getting less active players to participate more. Secondly, if we ever DO find ourselves in a situation where we have to settle for a random lynch, I would prefer to kill someone who is not contributing.

These two following posts are a big one too.

That sounds like solid reasoning to me

ranagrande Send a noteboard - 30/01/2010 10:07:05 PM

I think I might be inclined to believe you.

This is in reply to FT giving his reasoning for the Day 1 miller claim, immediatly in reply to my own comment to FT's original RC post. I had not yet inserted any of the counter-reasoning for why there were advantages for a DF to make this claim. This sounds like a townie expressing limited support, who later changed after arguments were presented and no alternates showed up, this seems quit ein keeping with his later statements. Let me point out DK rpeplied to say the same, later expressed the same doubts, and later voted for the same reasons as ranagrande. So did many other players.

Yeah it is...

ranagrande Send a noteboard - 31/01/2010 04:55:29 PM

I had stopped paying close attention after my death in the last game too, but I still noticed Yunalesca's Miller claim. I don't really see how F-T could have missed it.

I maintain that it was very weird for FT not to know that and certainly it makes sense to be surprised that he didn't. Only later, as I pointed out, did we have reaosn not to think that was surprising, that Miller never appeared in any title of a message and that FT had posted he was very busy and distracted in a different game thread at a parallel time. Considering he was agreeing with me, DK, and Kronin at the time, that the comment seemed unlikely and dubious, this doesn't seem out of place. Once again, all it seems to note is that ranagrande was apparently saying and thinking along the same lines as the other players who voted for FT and were talkative, namely, me, Kronin, and DK, I tihnk you'd agree, it is most unlikely all four of us are on the same side as DFs.
I still agree. I don't think it really changed anything, but it was odd.

This second post is in response to a post saying that the miller thing was something FT shouldn't have missed. Basically, I'm saying that his thoughts are quite scattered. He's changing sides here, visibly, which is something DFs tend to do. It's obviously not much but in a day, he went from agreeing with FT back to saying he didn't like what he's saying to eventually voting for him. This wishy washy posting makes me quite leery.

He changed no sides. Again, his comment sparallel those of most others who expressed initial tentative support of FT's claim then withdrew it as the possibility it might be a legit DF tactic and the lack of alternate candidates became clear. Wishy=washy posting is common to DFs, but it is also common to townies, and everyone was wishy-washy on FT who voted for him, mostly in the same way and degree as ranagrande expresses just in keeping with their own style.
I believed F-T initially, and even at the end, I didn't really think he was guilty. But I had been convinced over the course of the day that we stood to gain from his death, even if he was a townie. So I voted for him. With no other serious candidates on Day 1 and no leads of my own, I thought it was the best thing to do.
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9 *NM* - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 804 Views
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Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1526 Views
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RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 798 Views
So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1339 Views
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Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1227 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1254 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1270 Views
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Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1276 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1490 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1268 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1310 Views
A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1264 Views
Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 1085 Views
EBWOP - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1405 Views
Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1260 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1401 Views
Naive? - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1407 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1359 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1150 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1238 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1307 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1233 Views
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Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1291 Views
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Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1297 Views
Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1325 Views
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Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1274 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1437 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1233 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1399 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 801 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 789 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 767 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 747 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1325 Views
I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1377 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1281 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1287 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1221 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1356 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1263 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1318 Views
About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1341 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1361 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1350 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1376 Views
I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1173 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1270 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1277 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 772 Views
After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1188 Views
Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1319 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1420 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1420 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1473 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1268 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1318 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 847 Views
Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1407 Views
Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1368 Views
Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1367 Views
Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1229 Views
Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1218 Views
Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 744 Views
Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1303 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 808 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 771 Views
Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1311 Views
I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1379 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1365 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1274 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1362 Views
Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1387 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1380 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1490 Views
I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1258 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1274 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 777 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1444 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1481 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1329 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1304 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1396 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1367 Views
That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1331 Views
(My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1354 Views
Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1360 Views
Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1304 Views
Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1380 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1383 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1385 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1464 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1499 Views
Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1447 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1355 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1305 Views
Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1460 Views
Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1457 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1258 Views
Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1415 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1291 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1262 Views
I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1403 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 681 Views
Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1260 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1377 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 671 Views
No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1401 Views
And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1287 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1352 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1288 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1323 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 764 Views
Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1303 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 778 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 777 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1363 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 770 Views
Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 762 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1282 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1465 Views
You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1467 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 685 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1367 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1367 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1388 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1421 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1445 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1335 Views
Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1294 Views
Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1394 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1265 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1370 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1177 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1342 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1247 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 790 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1372 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1531 Views
Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1284 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1339 Views
Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1205 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1275 Views
Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1193 Views
Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1335 Views
What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1292 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 735 Views
A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 2043 Views
Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1429 Views
Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1992 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1270 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 773 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1292 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1277 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1413 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1288 Views
fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1234 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1268 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1347 Views
EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1275 Views
"Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1226 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1354 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1375 Views
What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1261 Views
me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1370 Views
my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1405 Views
Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1433 Views
well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1314 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1229 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1434 Views
LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 741 Views
RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1248 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1323 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 748 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 848 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1280 Views
Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1328 Views
- 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1450 Views
Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1343 Views
Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1381 Views
I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1263 Views
I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1339 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1282 Views
Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1317 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1243 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1194 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1179 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1259 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1236 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1191 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1270 Views
Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1416 Views
All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1386 Views
This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1412 Views
Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1524 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1169 Views
Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1312 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1408 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1297 Views
Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1229 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1326 Views
You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1270 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1354 Views
- 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1370 Views
I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1380 Views
I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1401 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1442 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 806 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 796 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 718 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 760 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 686 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 813 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 752 Views
No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 860 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 736 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 763 Views
no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 776 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1181 Views
To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1384 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 778 Views
I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1196 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1500 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1440 Views
RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1237 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1296 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1333 Views
Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1367 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1336 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 758 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 680 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 831 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1408 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1402 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1436 Views

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