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A few thoughts ranagrande Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM
He seems to be as good a candidate as any right now, and the day's discussion does seem to be winding down. I'm not going to vote just yet, as I'd like to see how he responds, but I likely will if nothing else comes up.

My first take on this (I have not yet read your comments other than a skim to see you'd made them) is that this translates as:

Townie: He's as good a candidate as any other, apparently better form what you said, I'm not ready to vote for him yet... since you emphasized you were trying to get him to talk, my saying I'm willing to vote for him as is can only furhter encourage him.

DF: He's as good a candidate as any other, apparently better form what you said, I'm not ready to vote for him yet... but if the case get's stronger, he'd make a good frame-up.

Thoughts: Comments are insufficiently long to determine specific intent, originate from a player with no established MO, and do not seem particular out of the ordinary. However, base don your own aggressive approach on it, and your comment that "While I'm not entirely suspicious of him, I really want him talking. If he doesn't talk, we might as well lynch him anyway if we end up with no one else to vote for." could easily be seen as an outright request for support, or easily be viewed by a sympathetic townie as reason to join you in taking a firm stance to get Hieshyn talking.

First thing's first. This post is my main argument here. Obviously, my point is that he jumped on it pretty strong. THere was admittedly no evidence other than lack of talking. I scrounged up what I could and put some sauce on it and that was my post of Hieshyn. Then, immediately, probably thinking he could get a quick lynch because of the inactivity (of the game and Hieshyn), he jumped right on and said he would vote for him without giving any explanation.

Well, his response is stronger than player-average, but not out of the ordinary, I've seen parallel levels of aggression from townies and DFs, no real pattern to it, I'd go so far as to say townies do this more often then DFs, of course they make up the majority of the players so it's not exactly contradictory evidence. But yes, I definetly see what is being regarded as suspicious there, but I'm inclined to think he was just engaging in active, threatening support to get Hieshyn talking than really trying to say, against all common sense, that he was fine with randomly lynching someone. DF's do make mistakes like that but I can see a pretty straight forward Occam's Razor on this one.
Yeah, I mainly just wanted to see where it would go. And I have not been displeased with the results; the game is certainly more active now than it was before that conversation.

Another:

This on the other hand... We can't allow ourselves to be so focused on a single target that broadening our horizons should elicit such a negative response, and especially not on Day 1.

More accusations will make the game more active and create more conversation. More conversation will create more opportunity for darkfriends to trip themselves up. Even if we don't recognize it now, that could be invaluable later on.

Also, it's not like the case against F-T will disappear just because someone named a new suspect. I said earlier that my initial response to the Miller roleclaim was to believe him, and I still do for the most part, but I would welcome any evidence or conjecture to the contrary. Again, it is more activity and more conversation, which can only help us.

And now I have to say, if I wasn't suspicious of you before, I am now.

The suspicious part is his last statement here. It was in reference to Kronin saying that he'll be focusing on beet for trying to change our targets if FT turns out to be bad. Why are you so suspicious of Kronin for saying that he'll be focusing on beet? Honestly, to me, it just looks like your trying to make us leery of Kronin because he could be a threat to you. You may have your own interpretation but this is what it says to me.

That one seems pretty clear, beet was raising other targets, and Kronin (as the other target) told beet that he'd be gunning for him next if FT turned out guilty. Ranagrande is telling Kronin why he think it's important to explore other options and maximize debate, and that Kronin's threat to beet, which gives the appearance of trying to shut down alternate debate, makes ranagrande suspicious of him. In context, it is actually a fairly pro-town comment. Now, I agree with Kronin's sentiment, obviously if FT had turned out guilty we'd have strung beet up, but it's very clear from the context that ranagrande was accusing KRonin of being suspicious because his message could easily be taken as an attempt to shut down attempts to find alternate targets. Beet was the only one really doing much on that score, at that point I'd already said I would not, as I was angry over the respons eI'd gotten from exploring FT's case, and no one was really raising anything else. No, this comment really is more of minor point in ranagrande's favor than against.
This. Kronin even admitted in his response to me that it had been a stupid thing to say.

As Katie said, Blaine has yet to post in this game. I'd say we could wait a bit and see if we get a modkill, but Gher has stated that all players are accounted for so he must have messaged him or something.

There's sounds like nothing more than usual player agitation about inactivity, which I could see your viewing as suspicious when the impression was that ranagrande himself was pretty inactive, and their for might be flavoring your thoughts, but as this was not the case...

Now, this comment actually predates FT's RC, and follows MPD discussions, and is in reply to a long post by me in which I was discussing ways to avoid tampering by the DFs while narrowing odds if we were forced to use a random lynch. I was asking people for ways to narrow down random selectees, suggesting we do our nominal potluck out of inactives is hardly surprising.

Same deal here. So Blaine hasn't posted yet and you're suspicious of him?? I mean, maybe if you were frustrated or dissapointed or just straight up ready to lynch, but suspicious? I don't see why you have cause for that.

I would say I consider finding a total inactive suspicious for that reason isn't exactly the best logic, but it's also not bad either. Context being important, this comment seemed totally in place as a reply to my own comments, of course, I was getting ready to suggest we pick our 'pool of three or four' as players who posted least, as punshiment for inactivity and/or encouragement to talk more, so I viewed Blaine's comments as a handy thing that saved me having to openly say it. Now, ironically this makes his comment in reply to your Hieshyn vote more likely to have been of the 'firm support of the threat to lynch if Hieshyn doesn't speak up' scenario. Regardless of his alignment, both comments seem to indicate that ranagrande is of the 'threaten to kill people if they don't participate more' mindset (which I share, perhaps why it is easy for me to regard his comments that way) and as we've seen, his posting numbers indicate this statement is not out of place or hypocritical.
I am indeed a member of that school of thought, for two reasons. First of all, as we've all seen, voting stimulates conversation and being voted for is a great catalyst for getting less active players to participate more. Secondly, if we ever DO find ourselves in a situation where we have to settle for a random lynch, I would prefer to kill someone who is not contributing.

These two following posts are a big one too.

That sounds like solid reasoning to me

ranagrande Send a noteboard - 30/01/2010 10:07:05 PM

I think I might be inclined to believe you.

This is in reply to FT giving his reasoning for the Day 1 miller claim, immediatly in reply to my own comment to FT's original RC post. I had not yet inserted any of the counter-reasoning for why there were advantages for a DF to make this claim. This sounds like a townie expressing limited support, who later changed after arguments were presented and no alternates showed up, this seems quit ein keeping with his later statements. Let me point out DK rpeplied to say the same, later expressed the same doubts, and later voted for the same reasons as ranagrande. So did many other players.

Yeah it is...

ranagrande Send a noteboard - 31/01/2010 04:55:29 PM

I had stopped paying close attention after my death in the last game too, but I still noticed Yunalesca's Miller claim. I don't really see how F-T could have missed it.

I maintain that it was very weird for FT not to know that and certainly it makes sense to be surprised that he didn't. Only later, as I pointed out, did we have reaosn not to think that was surprising, that Miller never appeared in any title of a message and that FT had posted he was very busy and distracted in a different game thread at a parallel time. Considering he was agreeing with me, DK, and Kronin at the time, that the comment seemed unlikely and dubious, this doesn't seem out of place. Once again, all it seems to note is that ranagrande was apparently saying and thinking along the same lines as the other players who voted for FT and were talkative, namely, me, Kronin, and DK, I tihnk you'd agree, it is most unlikely all four of us are on the same side as DFs.
I still agree. I don't think it really changed anything, but it was odd.

This second post is in response to a post saying that the miller thing was something FT shouldn't have missed. Basically, I'm saying that his thoughts are quite scattered. He's changing sides here, visibly, which is something DFs tend to do. It's obviously not much but in a day, he went from agreeing with FT back to saying he didn't like what he's saying to eventually voting for him. This wishy washy posting makes me quite leery.

He changed no sides. Again, his comment sparallel those of most others who expressed initial tentative support of FT's claim then withdrew it as the possibility it might be a legit DF tactic and the lack of alternate candidates became clear. Wishy=washy posting is common to DFs, but it is also common to townies, and everyone was wishy-washy on FT who voted for him, mostly in the same way and degree as ranagrande expresses just in keeping with their own style.
I believed F-T initially, and even at the end, I didn't really think he was guilty. But I had been convinced over the course of the day that we stood to gain from his death, even if he was a townie. So I voted for him. With no other serious candidates on Day 1 and no leads of my own, I thought it was the best thing to do.
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Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1589 Views
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Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1295 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1308 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1335 Views
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Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1332 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1544 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1323 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1355 Views
A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1330 Views
Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 1135 Views
EBWOP - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1497 Views
Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1320 Views
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Naive? - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1465 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1442 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1211 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1306 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1359 Views
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Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1368 Views
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Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1364 Views
Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1397 Views
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Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1494 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 826 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 816 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 798 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 783 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1389 Views
I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1426 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1353 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1349 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1280 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1420 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1313 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1377 Views
About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1403 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1441 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1409 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1425 Views
I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1219 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1341 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1340 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 804 Views
After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1253 Views
Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1389 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1476 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1487 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1537 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1329 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1394 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 886 Views
Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1499 Views
Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1437 Views
Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1426 Views
Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1291 Views
Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1281 Views
Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 781 Views
Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1404 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 849 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 808 Views
Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1386 Views
I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1443 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1418 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1337 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1429 Views
Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1439 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1435 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1553 Views
I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1349 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1344 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 798 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1521 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1553 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1403 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1364 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1445 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1434 Views
That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1402 Views
(My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1410 Views
Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1415 Views
Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1357 Views
Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1458 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1442 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1453 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1515 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1558 Views
Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1531 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1412 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1364 Views
Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1510 Views
Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1530 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1323 Views
Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1473 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1364 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1344 Views
I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1460 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 705 Views
Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1325 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1444 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 701 Views
No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1469 Views
And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1342 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1421 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1335 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1399 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 797 Views
Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1366 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 802 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 804 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1444 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 813 Views
Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 794 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1360 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1539 Views
You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1523 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 713 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1432 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1422 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1457 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1486 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1514 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1407 Views
Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1382 Views
Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1462 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1341 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1431 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1254 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1409 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1311 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 826 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1448 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1583 Views
Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1343 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1404 Views
Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1279 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1346 Views
Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1266 Views
Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1382 Views
What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1341 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 768 Views
A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 2137 Views
Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1503 Views
Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 2065 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1342 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 786 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1369 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1347 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1484 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1341 Views
fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1290 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1326 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1417 Views
EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1334 Views
"Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1322 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1447 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1426 Views
What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1327 Views
me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1436 Views
my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1472 Views
Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1492 Views
well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1388 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1283 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1505 Views
LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 769 Views
RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1307 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1387 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 784 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 886 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1336 Views
Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1395 Views
- 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1522 Views
Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1408 Views
Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1420 Views
I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1326 Views
I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1408 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1336 Views
Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1384 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1301 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1257 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1260 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1322 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1298 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1267 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1337 Views
Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1508 Views
All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1448 Views
This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1477 Views
Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1587 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1243 Views
Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1362 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1478 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1351 Views
Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1290 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1374 Views
You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1315 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1418 Views
- 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1426 Views
I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1444 Views
I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1458 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1519 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 837 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 831 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 749 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 789 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 715 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 840 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 782 Views
No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 891 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 769 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 797 Views
no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 796 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1250 Views
To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1441 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 812 Views
I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1248 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1558 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1494 Views
RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1309 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1356 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1390 Views
Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1438 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1413 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 788 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 714 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 863 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1476 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1478 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1505 Views

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