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Oh I hear ya! ironclad Send a noteboard - 05/01/2010 08:35:38 PM
Work is slow today, so slow that I actually took the time to read Tuesday Morning Quarterback on ESPN.com. Have you ever read that bit? It may be the best named blog on the internet because it invokes the exact image of what it actually portrays, a guy sitting on a couch, covered in the detritus of chips and dip from watching football all day, commenting on the idiocy of those who played the game and, when he has run out of sporting news to pontificate on, turns political and cultural with the same lack of expertise, with a few shots of cheerleaders tossed in to keep his buds interested.

Think Rush Limbaugh crossed with your alcoholic uncle who keeps hitting on waitresses at sports bars, and you'll get the idea.

Anyway, today he took the time to tackle the movie Avatar. It was one of the most ignorant reviews I have ever read. Kinda gave the impression that the movie was An Inconvienient Truth in space, with a bit of commie-leftist American hate thrown in. It is clear that this guy had issues with the political leaning of the movie (Corporate greed bad, militaristic aggression bad) and so decided to throw the whole thing under the bus because of it. And he isn't the only one, nor is Avatar the only example of this happening, (else I would have put this in the Avatar thread.)

This strange need some people seem to have for their entire cultural identity to line up neatly with their ideological identity confuses the hell out of me. I am not a fan of country music... but when the country music community shunned the Dixie Chicks because they were against the War in Iraq I found the whole idea preposterous... if I needed ideological conformity from my music, I could just save myself money and buy a car without a radio.

Lots of Movies and other media have their own little morals, their own leanings. I don't always identify with them. For instance, I highly enjoy the novel Starship Troopers, despite the fact that it would be harder for the novel to be more right wing in ideology, I love the exploration of the characters and the mindset. And much as I despise the Left Behind novels, it is their writing which turned me off, not the theology which is so different from my own.

Even funnier are the occasional allegations that movies like Avatar are anti-American, because all the bad guys are so clearly American themselves. It's like calling the original Star Wars movies anti-British.

Maybe I am just bored and ranting. (Maybe you already cut me off 'cause you don't like my message.) But since such a huge part of movies like Avatar is the Suspension of disbelief, I think a lot of people sabatoge their movie-going experience (and, thus, wasting their own money) by being unable to separate themselves from their own ideologies long enough to enjoy the story.

For those who go so far as to call the movie an attack on THEM, personally... well, I think we may have more of an inkblot situation there than anything else.



And I entirely agree. If people discard or dislike Avatar for effects, characters, similarity to Dances with Wolves or whatever reasons, fine - their loss.
But anyone who takes the movie so serious that he feels actually attacked by the anti-militaristic or -corporate message, well...there is just no help for them. (and not because militaristic and corporate greed people are evil. they are, but that's not the point).

The second time I watched it was at a movie theater that also shows movies in English, because it's close to an US air base, so the majority of the audience was American and military. I didn't even think about them possibly being insulted by the film until I remembered someone's reply from the Avatar thread towards the end of the film. But I was glad to notice that most of them seemed to enjoy it for what it was.
*MySmiley*

You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.
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Suspension of Disbelief with Politics - 05/01/2010 06:46:53 PM 1663 Views
Oh I hear ya! - 05/01/2010 08:35:38 PM 883 Views
I don't completely agree, but this is similar to everyone retroactively hating Tom Cruise's movies. - 05/01/2010 08:47:19 PM 928 Views
Which is just as silly, yes. *NM* - 05/01/2010 08:48:55 PM 415 Views
Who hates Top Gun? That movie R0X0RS! *NM* - 07/01/2010 06:19:48 AM 442 Views
You know, I never understood that - 07/01/2010 07:28:36 AM 823 Views
What?? Min Rep is fantastic! *NM* - 07/01/2010 08:19:30 AM 416 Views
*Stands on counter* I am the last Poet Bartender - 07/01/2010 02:08:56 PM 846 Views
LOL...~hands Dannymac a clue~ - 06/01/2010 04:51:43 AM 1045 Views
Just judging him based on what he writes... - 06/01/2010 04:17:49 PM 861 Views
the point is... - 06/01/2010 11:25:46 PM 834 Views
talk about needing a clue - 09/01/2010 06:01:14 PM 785 Views
Wait...I support same-sex marriage. Just not all that other crap. - 07/01/2010 06:18:40 AM 815 Views
trespasses against persons is subjective. - 07/01/2010 07:09:22 AM 886 Views
Actually, it isn't. - 07/01/2010 03:46:30 PM 786 Views
ah I wasn't aware you were referring to a legal term - 07/01/2010 05:37:10 PM 846 Views
Considering that it's made-up BS, why should it be? - 09/01/2010 11:01:31 PM 813 Views
what about those not capable of walking away? - 10/01/2010 03:51:10 AM 757 Views
Who has the right to say a parent is abusing the child, and what prevents abuses the other way? - 10/01/2010 09:13:45 AM 1008 Views
You are not wrong - 10/01/2010 04:43:55 PM 823 Views
Re: trespasses against persons is subjective. - 09/01/2010 11:12:57 PM 828 Views
but it is wrong to deny the legal ramifications of marriage - 10/01/2010 04:19:02 AM 952 Views
Civics & economics 101 - 10/01/2010 08:47:07 AM 942 Views
okay, I can agree on your points - 10/01/2010 05:14:32 PM 758 Views
That's not Economics 101. That's practically Anarcho-capitalism. - 13/01/2010 11:54:22 PM 786 Views
Duh. - 14/01/2010 03:00:56 AM 780 Views
The existence of that right isn't what I'm arguing. - 18/01/2010 09:01:07 AM 775 Views
Re: The existence of that right isn't what I'm arguing. - 18/01/2010 11:57:33 AM 1094 Views
Apaprently I misread your earlier post. Very good points. *NM* - 19/01/2010 01:17:01 AM 401 Views
I'll agree to the trespass against persons - 09/01/2010 06:07:29 PM 850 Views
What bullshit you write. - 10/01/2010 01:30:02 AM 752 Views
uhm...nothing in nature shares with all. - 10/01/2010 05:28:04 AM 808 Views
So what you're saying is people shouldn't take movies to heart ? - 06/01/2010 01:39:21 PM 841 Views
That's just the point. - 06/01/2010 04:15:48 PM 938 Views
Precisely *NM* - 06/01/2010 04:45:58 PM 432 Views
indeed. they are not "soldiers" - 07/01/2010 07:12:32 AM 830 Views
that's a weasel script - 07/01/2010 09:55:13 AM 800 Views
well, it seems like it was less "lazy script writing" - 07/01/2010 05:38:35 PM 805 Views
huh. Well, my hunch would be - 07/01/2010 10:34:35 PM 915 Views
what makes them "look like military"?? - 09/01/2010 06:15:24 PM 875 Views
arguing the natives as terrorists would be a stretch *NM* - 09/01/2010 10:39:13 PM 410 Views
guessing you've seen it by now - 10/01/2010 12:48:57 PM 741 Views
AMEN *NM* - 09/01/2010 06:09:27 PM 393 Views
if the foo shits, wear it *NM* - 09/01/2010 06:08:11 PM 447 Views
I completely disagree with you about Avatar. - 06/01/2010 02:18:22 PM 891 Views
would you have felt better if they were albino aliens? - 07/01/2010 07:16:20 AM 820 Views
You know what it is for me... - 06/01/2010 07:37:10 PM 906 Views
That's understandable - 07/01/2010 07:25:23 AM 801 Views
That's totally what it is, hah - 08/01/2010 08:57:10 AM 922 Views
See...that's where I'm different. - 08/01/2010 03:33:30 PM 789 Views
I suppose the lesson is to not read about celebrities' politics? - 08/01/2010 06:22:10 PM 694 Views
But that's kind of the point... - 08/01/2010 06:51:05 PM 807 Views
Uh oh, you used the "c" word... - 08/01/2010 07:47:40 PM 907 Views
I hate it when you sound like an actual preacher - 08/01/2010 10:03:28 PM 805 Views
Aw, I liked some of those sentences. - 08/01/2010 11:07:15 PM 744 Views
Isn't that a Bible quote? *NM* - 09/01/2010 12:33:51 AM 416 Views
I guess maybe from an epistle? *NM* - 09/01/2010 02:44:36 AM 396 Views
Yup, Romans 8:31 - 09/01/2010 11:36:46 PM 737 Views
it's not that it was bad - 09/01/2010 01:01:21 AM 861 Views
That seems like a pretty dangerous philosophy. - 09/01/2010 06:24:35 AM 889 Views
Agreed. It also sounds absurd. I have +2 Armor of Christ. How about you? *NM* - 10/01/2010 06:42:24 PM 398 Views
he he *NM* - 11/01/2010 12:20:26 AM 372 Views
Maybe a little. - 11/01/2010 06:06:24 AM 904 Views
I like your philosophy. Thanks for sharing! *NM* - 11/01/2010 03:08:09 PM 366 Views
Ok, so apart from political subtexts, - 07/01/2010 05:40:28 AM 880 Views
You have to admire the world building though - 07/01/2010 07:27:13 AM 733 Views
Both of you are more or less right - 08/01/2010 08:59:34 AM 750 Views
He DID write the original screenplay, I thought? - 08/01/2010 10:04:07 PM 781 Views
And why is it that anyone who can <spoilers!> - 08/01/2010 09:03:45 AM 1015 Views
Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had. - 08/01/2010 04:59:16 PM 828 Views
You're looking at it from the outsider point of view - 08/01/2010 10:12:15 PM 800 Views
I don't buy it. - 09/01/2010 06:29:07 AM 828 Views
Especially with the warrior tribe mentality they all have! - 10/01/2010 08:25:57 PM 691 Views
if there were all these hotshot warriors trying - 11/01/2010 12:22:19 AM 764 Views
Poor scriptwriting *NM* - 11/01/2010 12:56:24 AM 399 Views
oh come on - 11/01/2010 01:00:40 AM 855 Views
Gher's right. It's Plot convinience, with a capital P *NM* - 13/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 377 Views
Re: Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had. - 09/01/2010 01:27:59 PM 978 Views
It's pretty easy to conquer one of those things - 10/01/2010 08:27:20 PM 977 Views
Re: It's pretty easy to conquer one of those things - 10/01/2010 08:56:38 PM 752 Views
seriously - 11/01/2010 12:23:58 AM 707 Views

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