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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM

Moridin is far more evil than Semirhage. Semirhage likes torturing individuals. Moridin want's to kill all of humanity.

Would it give you satisfaction to see Cadsuane put pigtails in his hair, dress him in a nappy and slap his bottom because he was such a naughty boy?

My point is, evil should lose yes, but it should not be ridiculed. Else the story loses its suspense.

Semirhage being balefired is good. Semirhage being spanked like a little girl is a farce.


There are some themes in the book, and this one was pretty obvious. It's made clear over the course of several chapters that Semirhage cannot be broken or intimidated, and even from her own PoV she says that she was ready for hot coals and other torture and even looking forward to it. This was the dilemma posed to Cadsuane, who needed information from her. Cadsuane also found herself wondering about how similar she is to Semirhage.

Therefore, when Cadsuane figured out that losing her status as a legendary Aes Sedai was the worst nightmare she could experience, she applied it to Semirhage, who is extremely proud of her evil reputation. Therefore humiliation broke this legendary Forsaken. It even reduced her to tears.

It's therefore illogical to say that it would be offensive to see Moridin in pigtails. It's not about Cadsuane or Robert Jordan finding ways to humiliate the Shadow. It's about people trying to find ways to break the unbreakable. Rand had the same problem with Graendal - he couldn't find out how to destroy a sneaky woman who was more intelligent than him, and so he commited a mass atrocity.

This is why I am convinced Demandred is next - because where there is a source of intense hatred, it is easy to bait. Moghedien will once again be lured by revenge against Nynaeve and Cyndane against Rand. All the Forsaken have weaknesses, and that was Semirhage's.


I just think this obvious mega weakness would have been exposed fighting a massive war for so long, also since graendal knows more about the mind than anyone about, she should have noticed it, with several decades longer than Cads to work it out, put her over her knee and spanked her, that would have been logical. It's illogical that someone who is touted again and again as master of human motivation doesn't spot this massive fracture in someones psyche and exploit it. Yet Cads is onto it pretty quickly.

Also with all these weaknesses and character flaws, these people still gave as good as they got in the AOL war, were hugely feared by the best minds of the time, and who some knew before the turning etc, yet no doubt Rand will use these flaws to "flush them out" but the combined minds of the Aes Sedai in the AOL failed miserably to do that much against them for the longest time. Also with a few exceptions these guys were the ELITE, so god knows what flaws the subordinates had, also weird how over the years no one else noticed semi's flaw and maybe an underling exploiting it.

Obviously it's all subjective, but it certainly didn't make much sense to me, but hey folk see things differently.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3216 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1698 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1613 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 739 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1404 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1314 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 617 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1407 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1363 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1309 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1276 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1377 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1204 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1181 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 669 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1203 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1186 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 1147 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1286 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1385 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1226 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1281 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 593 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1282 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1241 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 1126 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1281 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1438 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 664 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1355 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 709 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1241 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1227 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1296 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1230 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1215 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1198 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1262 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1222 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1251 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1164 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1280 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 1121 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1148 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1255 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1158 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1142 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 1116 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1216 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 1017 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1275 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 657 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1256 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1331 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1169 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 655 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1360 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 754 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1451 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1162 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1170 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1176 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 1093 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 1127 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1169 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1271 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1295 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1222 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1232 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1234 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1250 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 1124 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1176 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 1153 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1184 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 8888 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1169 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1250 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1507 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 1101 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1513 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1210 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 1034 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1346 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1161 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1395 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1216 Views

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