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Interesting idea. Datakim Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM

I mean that you Travel out of TAR using a gateway. Your ethereal self then frees you.


I suspect this is impossible. Maybe you could open a gateway, but I suspect you would experience the same effect as Perrin did when he tried to enter an open waygate. That is to say, you could not actually enter the gateway.

I realise that gateways and waygates are totally separate, but it is the only even remotely similar thing I can think of.

Here is what happens when Perrin tries to pass through a waygate in a dream:


Unaware of crossing the distance, suddenly he was right at the Waygate. There was no treefoil leaf among the verdant tangle on the inside of the two gates. Strange to think that at that moment, in the waking world, someone or something was passing through where he stood. Touching the dull surface, he grunted. It might as well have been a mirror, his hand slid across it as across the smoothest glass.


I suspect a dreamer trying to enter the physical world in spirit-form would experience something similar. You would simply be blocked from entering. Either that, or as others have suggested it would have some horrible result such as death or something.

If you could do it, there would quite literally be two different versions of you in existence at the same time. The "ethereal" you and the real you. That just boggles the mind with all the completely bizarre things that could happen as a result. No, I think it is impossible.

Still, maybe this is something that could be asked of Sanderson, it is an interesting thought and maybe RJ has something about it in his notes, you never know.


This did bring up another idea though. What if you did this in reverse? What if a dreamer entered TAR in the flesh while tired, and then went to sleep while he was in TAR itself? I mean if you are there in the flesh you would presumably carry all your fleshy problems including tiredness so you could go to sleep. But since you were already in the world of dreams, where would you go? Would you go nowhere? Or in this case, would you appear in the same TAR in ethereal form and be able to mess around with your sleeping body (which was also in TAR).
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Help me out with a TAR problem - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1644 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1031 Views
No I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1058 Views
Re: No I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 917 Views
Re: No I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 847 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 764 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 771 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 881 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 745 Views
I think it would be the latter - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 866 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 797 Views
I disagree - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 808 Views
Re: I disagree - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 847 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 872 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 975 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 830 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 798 Views
*nods* *NM* - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 374 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 740 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 935 Views
I don't agree. - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 796 Views
you are misreading me I think - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 934 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 870 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 841 Views
That's the point. - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 824 Views
Re: That's the point. - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 791 Views
Re: That's the point. - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 773 Views
We may never know! - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 816 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 775 Views
Interesting idea. - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 763 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 381 Views
Channeler heal thyself - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 899 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 796 Views
Doesn't work - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1002 Views
we've seen this fail - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 746 Views
I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 739 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 756 Views
As far as I know... - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 801 Views
This could work - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 966 Views
Thanks - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 791 Views
Re: Thanks - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 758 Views
So I think this disproves it - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1037 Views
Is that really true? - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 812 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 392 Views
I would generally agree with your edits - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 780 Views
yes and no - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 688 Views
Re: yes and no - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 738 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 814 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 766 Views
And I agree with your response - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 773 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 867 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 734 Views
The short answer to Birgitte - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 750 Views
I think this is possible. - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 807 Views
Dream gateway! - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 756 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 723 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 695 Views
aren't we all? *NM* - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 337 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 720 Views
Why not? - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 888 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 826 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 752 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 827 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 840 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 798 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 735 Views
That's a weird situation. - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 786 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 813 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 827 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 762 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 848 Views
Actually I don't think so.. - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 727 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 798 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 944 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 736 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 343 Views
problem solved... sort of? - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 874 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 786 Views

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