I mean that you Travel out of TAR using a gateway. Your ethereal self then frees you.
I suspect this is impossible. Maybe you could open a gateway, but I suspect you would experience the same effect as Perrin did when he tried to enter an open waygate. That is to say, you could not actually enter the gateway.
I realise that gateways and waygates are totally separate, but it is the only even remotely similar thing I can think of.
Here is what happens when Perrin tries to pass through a waygate in a dream:
Unaware of crossing the distance, suddenly he was right at the Waygate. There was no treefoil leaf among the verdant tangle on the inside of the two gates. Strange to think that at that moment, in the waking world, someone or something was passing through where he stood. Touching the dull surface, he grunted. It might as well have been a mirror, his hand slid across it as across the smoothest glass.
I suspect a dreamer trying to enter the physical world in spirit-form would experience something similar. You would simply be blocked from entering. Either that, or as others have suggested it would have some horrible result such as death or something.
If you could do it, there would quite literally be two different versions of you in existence at the same time. The "ethereal" you and the real you. That just boggles the mind with all the completely bizarre things that could happen as a result. No, I think it is impossible.
Still, maybe this is something that could be asked of Sanderson, it is an interesting thought and maybe RJ has something about it in his notes, you never know.

This did bring up another idea though. What if you did this in reverse? What if a dreamer entered TAR in the flesh while tired, and then went to sleep while he was in TAR itself? I mean if you are there in the flesh you would presumably carry all your fleshy problems including tiredness so you could go to sleep. But since you were already in the world of dreams, where would you go? Would you go nowhere? Or in this case, would you appear in the same TAR in ethereal form and be able to mess around with your sleeping body (which was also in TAR).
Help me out with a TAR problem
- 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM
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- 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM
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No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM
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I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
- 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM
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Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
- 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM
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And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too
- 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM
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I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM
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I disagree
- 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM
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Re: I disagree
- 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM
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If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM
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Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM
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I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here
- 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM
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We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop.
- 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM
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But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR
- 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM
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The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself
- 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM
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I don't agree.
- 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM
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you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM
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Re: you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM
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That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM
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Interesting idea.
- 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM
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There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies
- 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM
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we've seen this fail
- 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM
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So I think this disproves it
- 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM
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Is that really true?
- 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM
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Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM*
- 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM
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I would generally agree with your edits
- 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM
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yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM
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Re: yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM
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5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously
- 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM
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well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte
- 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM
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Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit?
- 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM
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You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh.
- 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM
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I think this is possible.
- 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM
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Dream gateway!
- 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM
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I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form
- 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM
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if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind
- 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM
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if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R
- 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM
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I don't think anybody has said this before...
- 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM
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Your real body can only channel Spirit.
- 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM
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Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world.
- 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM
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Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling.
- 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM
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The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM
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That's a weird situation.
- 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM
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Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious'
- 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM
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Re: The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM
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If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM
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Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM
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Actually I don't think so..
- 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM
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Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere.
- 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM
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TAR constructs cannot leave it.
- 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM
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Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ...
- 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM
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I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR...
- 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM
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